Jason Botterill Discussion Part 5
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I wasn't convinced of that hire, but hey who knows with coaches.
But not firing him after year 1 was nuts, or at least less forgivable.
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Forget not firing him after year 1...halfway through last year’s meltdown he laughed at the idea of fans wanting a coaching change. He must piss himself at the idea they want new players.
He’s a disaster.
He’s a disaster.
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3 years into his tenure and I still do not know what the plan is. Are we going to try to build a fast skilled team? A heavier physical one? A more defensive oriented team? A more offensive one?
His more recent moves seem to be all over the place with no sense of direction. What is the plan Jason? And WHY are there still 7 dman on the active roster? And for the love of god why is your stud 19 year old dman not being coached to be as aggressive and creative offensively as possible? Especially when the team is desperate for offense.
These are mistakes that occur when you throw a rookie GM into a role that he wasn't ready for with zero help from experienced people in this business. Toronto understands how to construct an upper management by having multiple people with serious experience and credibility around the league. Terry Pegulas solution was to have a first time GM shoulder the responsibilities of it all.
His more recent moves seem to be all over the place with no sense of direction. What is the plan Jason? And WHY are there still 7 dman on the active roster? And for the love of god why is your stud 19 year old dman not being coached to be as aggressive and creative offensively as possible? Especially when the team is desperate for offense.
These are mistakes that occur when you throw a rookie GM into a role that he wasn't ready for with zero help from experienced people in this business. Toronto understands how to construct an upper management by having multiple people with serious experience and credibility around the league. Terry Pegulas solution was to have a first time GM shoulder the responsibilities of it all.
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Fire Botterill tonight. Hire someone with a lot of experience to be temporary GM with the promise of moving them to an overseer position when a permanent GM is found. The qualification for the job is never saying you need to take a year to evaluate the roster like the last two. If you don’t know who is good and who is bad you aren’t qualified. New GM sells off anything he can from the pile of useless garbage. Anything he can’t f***ing waive them. Do not keep letting them play on this team (BOGOSIAN). You can’t pretend to give a solitary f*** about success and continue to ice failure.
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I don't believe anyone fitting that description would want or need to work for the Pegulas. They might be able to attract such a person by offering an ownership stake.
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You're probably right. I'm not really looking back and researching what happened, I'm trying to forget as much as possible.
We need to move on from Botterill. Honestly it's been a fast 3 years. I can't believe this guy is finishing up year 3 already.
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I would say he was trying to build a finesse skilled team. A team that relies heavily on skating and puck skills, where gaps on the ice are attacked. Where stick checks and quick transition is the name of the game instead of body positioning and consistent puck possession.
The word we need in that is created. Botterill CREATED a last place team with cap problems.
Few forward acquisitions in his tenure are good skaters. His teams are slow afoot, slow mentality and were saddled with a poor scheme under an incompetent coach the first two seasons he ran the team. His talent evaluation is terrible.
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don’t get me wrong, he’s failed at doing that without a doubt. I’m just trying to figure who his guys are and go off that.
his team is pretty bare of any heavy grinders. His team is very European-like, based on his drafting and who he seems to listen to more often in his scouts. His team doesn’t have many defensive capable guys, but does have a focus on quick puck transition players.
the team is very soft, and I would doubt he targets any guys at the forward position that can grind it on defense.
Which is funny because if you look at one of his drafts, he clearly went for size albeit at on defense. There’s a lack of aggression throughout his organization, despite the oddity of his comments about the reaction to the Cernak elbow being to sign an AHL enforcer. They do nothing well. They aren’t fast, they don’t go to the net, they don’t take a hit, they don’t make it, they can’t complete passes, they don’t come back hard on the back check, they don’t know where to be on the ice, and most of them are pretty terrible shooters. Milquetoast would describe them and him and his tenure.
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He was applauded as a reason the Pred had that crazy cup run. He was seen as a bit of a risk as he hadn't been a head coach, but he had promise. It wasn't an idiotic hire.
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This is a bit black and white. The worst contracts are Murrays, the most expensive are Botterills. Eichel and Skinner are Botterill, Okposo and Bogo (among others) are Murray.
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I am trying to let the jersey mishap go but someone needs to be fired for the jersey mishap, that would show me this organization actually cares and won't let mediocrity slide. At least it would show me the first step in the Pegula's taking responsibility behind the Sabres.
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I'd say the Sobotka, hunwick, sheary, vesey and the berglund contract that he lucked out off are just as bad.
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EDIT: Just toning this down, think it's a little strong.
Vesey makes under $2.3m. He's never been a top 6 forward, I'm not sure if that was what Botts expected when he traded for him (if so another reason to fire him). I really think he's had a target on his back since day one because Murray traded for him despite Vesey obviously not going signing anywhere but NYR (another spectacular move by Murray). I'd rather have him than Okposo or Larrson in my bottom six. I've seen a lot of Vesey hate here recently and I don't really get it.
You're absolutely right about the rest. I forgot Hunwick was a Sabre.
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We aren’t supposed to bash the team at all in the draft sticky. So I guess I’ll just put this here.
If we draft 8th overall I might snap. No telling what I’ll do to be honest.
If we draft 8th overall I might snap. No telling what I’ll do to be honest.
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No worries: when we finish 8th we'll lose the lottery and end up picking 11th.
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it WAS an idiotic hire. A guy with zero experience as a PRO head coach was hired for a team that needed experience and stability and needed to hit the ground running to learn how to win. We hire a guy who decided who to throw out on the ice from a stable of 6 top 4 defenseman. It was all risk with zero proof he can do the job.
There was no promise except the hype created by the media because he’s a hall of fame player.
You don’t need hindsight to see he was exactly the wrong hire for this organization. A rookie head coach and a rookie GM. What a great combination to stabilize a team.
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