Jared Bednar Discussion

[shadow1]

This is pretty obvious but the biggest area where Bednar and the coaching staff are struggling is the Power Play.

Despite having some of the best offensive weapons in the NHL, Colorado's top PP unit is predicable, passive, and is costing the team games. Bednar/Bennett need to go back to the drawing board, immediately.

Other than that, I don't have major complaints. Colorado probably deserved to win both games Miska was in net, and IMO the 3rd line issues are a Sakic criticism rather than Bednar one.

 

[Avs91]

Bednar won't do that. Not his style... and it is a reason Avs have issues with trap teams. They try to skill their way to a win instead of grinding.

My complaint against Bednar lands here. I do think he's a great coach, I think the guys in the room respect him. But I believe you almost need a '2nd' system to go to when you're getting trapped. The Avs clearly haven't figured out how to skill their way out of it, once teams figure out how to choke us out we're done. Switch to a dump for half a period, open the game back up, create some room on the ice to go back to a skill/carry game... (coming from someone who doesn't know junk about coaching )

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I don't know why people are shocked or surprised at this. This isn't an effort or disinterested thing. This is a yearly cycle at this point. At some point, in the early part of the season... teams adjust to what Bednar had done out of the gate. The Avs have 4-6 bad games and lose most of them. This happens every season. 17-18 between games 14-18 the Avs went 1-3-1. In 18-19, between games 10-16 the Avs went 1-5-1. 19-20 between games 9-15 the Avs went 1-5-1. This year there is something creeping in. Games 10+ the Avs are 3-3-1, 12+ 2-3... the next game or two will signal if we are in the same stretch that usually happens to the Avs. The good thing is, 2 of the last 3 times the Avs have went on a tear for 10-15 games once they click out of it. Usually followed by another slump that hits in the mid to late 30s in games.

When teams have tape and adjust to the Avs, the Avs slump. It takes Bednar 4-7 games to adjust to that, then they go on another tear. Which teams adjust to again. This is just the cycle under Bednar. It actually trends positive overall, but it is very frustrating it takes so long for Bednar to adjust. In games, and within the season. He's a classic stubborn coach that wants his teams to play strictly one way.

I really dont agree at all with this, and I especially dont think this is what's happening right now either.


We've literally lost 2 games in a row. That's it. With 1 of those games coming against another Top 5 team in the league. At least right now, this isn't some awful stretch of play. It was one loss against a great team, and a bad night.


Every team in the league will lose 2 games in a row at some point this season. Fact.

If this extends another 3-4 games... Fine, we can have this conversation. But after 2 games, this is just overreacting from everyone.

 

[redacted]

I really dont agree at all with this, and I especially dont think this is what's happening right now either.


We've literally lost 2 games in a row. That's it. With 1 of those games coming against another Top 5 team in the league. At least right now, this isn't some awful stretch of play. It was one loss against a great team, and a bad night.


Every team in the league will lose 2 games in a row at some point this season. Fact.

If this extends another 3-4 games... Fine, we can have this conversation. But after 2 games, this is just overreacting from everyone.

So, why does this happen every season? I’m not saying this is that slump... just that this slump always happens and it is a very similar cycle... every year.

 

[The Kingslayer]

So, why does this happen every season? I’m not saying this is that slump... just that this slump always happens and it is a very similar cycle... every year.

We will revisit this after the next two games where Dvorak and Chychrun destroy us.

 

[The Shermanator]

Give him the year. If we don't take the next step (Conference Finals?), I'd be on team fire Beds.

 

[redacted]

Give him the year. If we don't take the next step (Conference Finals?), I'd be on team fire Beds.

I totally agree with this. Bednar has earned the chance here, but expectations are rising and they need to take the next step.

 

[Belgican]

I totally agree with this. Bednar has earned the chance here, but expectations are rising and they need to take the next step.

It’s just like Bednar with his players, just wait for something to happen, it will happen or it won’t. All the players have earned the chance here, but do we have to wait ?

It’s not 2 games, Bednar has not adressed the same problems we see since game 1, PP1 is not working, bottom 6 is not clicking, the only guys pointed out are the rookies, some players from the top6 should wake up.

We are only winning many games based on talent and good goaltending. But I find many teams with less talent play with a better system and much more poise.

Do we have to waste another MacK year ?

 

[Moosehead1]

I totally agree with this. Bednar has earned the chance here, but expectations are rising and they need to take the next step.

The avs have taken the next step every year since Bednar got here. If they don’t make the finals this year there’s no way in hell Bednar should be fired.

not to mention this isn’t exactly a normal season.

each year the avs have improved while both leading and trailing after two. Each year their playoff performances have improved whilst also gaining valuable experience. There’s next to no reason why there should be fire bednar talk right now lol

 

[CharlesPuck]

I dont think you read what he said.

We are a Top 5 team both in goals for, and goals against(Meaning we allow very few goals against).



At 5 on 5 we are legitimately one of the best teams in the league. We are not playing like it right now, and if the trend continues, there's concerns to be had for sure... But this is also literally a 2 game stretch right now. That's it. One loss being against one of the other Top 5 teams in the league.




Honestly if you come away from Avs games thinking we are a boring team to watch and play a boring style.... Maybe hockey isn't the sport for you. Really have no idea how one can think this team is boring. That's probably the last trait you use to describe us.

We are playing boring hockey now. 2.2 goals a game for the 14 game stretch. How is that not boring?

 

[redacted]

It’s just like Bednar with his players, just wait for something to happen, it will happen or it won’t. All the players have earned the chance here, but do we have to wait ?

It’s not 2 games, Bednar has not adressed the same problems we see since game 1, PP1 is not working, bottom 6 is not clicking, the only guys pointed out are the rookies, some players from the top6 should wake up.

We are only winning many games based on talent and good goaltending. But I find many teams with less talent play with a better system and much more poise.

Do we have to waste another MacK year ?

I think this year is about the length of rope left. If the Avs don't perform in the playoffs, he shouldn't stick around. I'm not at conference finals or bust, but very close to it.

The avs have taken the next step every year since Bednar got here. If they don’t make the finals this year there’s no way in hell Bednar should be fired.

not to mention this isn’t exactly a normal season.

each year the avs have improved while both leading and trailing after two. Each year their playoff performances have improved whilst also gaining valuable experience. There’s next to no reason why there should be fire bednar talk right now lol

I wouldn't say final or bust, but the Avs didn't really take a next step last season. If they don't get out of the 2nd round this year, they won't have taken a next step this season. Bednar should have the rest of this season as rope. He's earned the chance to improve this team.

The Avs actually haven't gotten better every season in the leading/trailing stats. 16-17 was better than 17-18 (surprisingly). 18-19 was a solid tick up from the prior two seasons (mid pack NHL). Last season, after 1st period was a huge improvement on all of the seasons... but after 2 periods was the worst performance yet. This season is too early to really know. Not off to a great start, but 2-3 wins quickly change that narrative. Small samples and all. There are ways to defend Bednar without having to twist reality. The team just hasn't shown consistent improvement in this area.

 

[Moosehead1]

We are playing boring hockey now. 2.2 goals a game for the 14 game stretch. How is that not boring?

9 games where they’ve scored 3 or more and 3 where they’ve put in 5 or more. I don’t find that boring personally

 

[Moosehead1]

I think this year is about the length of rope left. If the Avs don't perform in the playoffs, he shouldn't stick around. I'm not at conference finals or bust, but very close to it.



I wouldn't say final or bust, but the Avs didn't really take a next step last season. If they don't get out of the 2nd round this year, they won't have taken a next step this season. Bednar should have the rest of this season as rope. He's earned the chance to improve this team.

The Avs actually haven't gotten better every season in the leading/trailing stats. 16-17 was better than 17-18 (surprisingly). 18-19 was a solid tick up from the prior two seasons (mid pack NHL). Last season, after 1st period was a huge improvement on all of the seasons... but after 2 periods was the worst performance yet. This season is too early to really know. Not off to a great start, but 2-3 wins quickly change that narrative. Small samples and all. There are ways to defend Bednar without having to twist reality. The team just hasn't shown consistent improvement in this area.

I’d still call last seasons playoff performance an improvement. They battled hard to push OT in game 7 with their 3rd string goalie. Last year was a huge statement for this team.

for the past three season their stats for leading and trailing after 2 have been in the same arena as Tampa, St Louis and Washington - the last three to win a cup. The avs are trending in the right way in every stat that I can see points towards that trend.

 

[CharlesPuck]

9 games where they’ve scored 3 or more and 3 where they’ve put in 5 or more. I don’t find that boring personally

10 goals in 6 games so far in February. 1.667 goals a game in the month. Shut out twice. That is exciting offensive hockey to you??

People need to lose the 8 goal game against St Louis and the 7 goal game against San Jose. This team is bad offensively and boring to watch right now.

 

[The Kingslayer]

9 games where they’ve scored 3 or more and 3 where they’ve put in 5 or more. I don’t find that boring personally

True. I would be more concerned if they weren't getting glorious chances during this stretch. Lack of execution is hurting them. At some point that dam is going to break and they are going to flood the net with pucks and all this Avs are boring and fire Jared talk will seize.

 

[Belgican]

The players look bored, that’s the problem, they look helpless, really helpless, and that’s disturbing to me

 

[Belgican]

True. I would be more concerned if they weren't getting glorious chances during this stretch. Lack of execution is hurting them. At some point that dam is going to break and they are going to flood the net with pucks and all this Avs are boring and fire Jared talk will seize.

I hope so, but at some point it will happen, or it won’t and I fear it won’t without some kind of urgency from the coach or some shakeup from Bednar or even Sakic

 

[redacted]

I’d still call last seasons playoff performance an improvement. They battled hard to push OT in game 7 with their 3rd string goalie. Last year was a huge statement for this team.

for the past three season their stats for leading and trailing after 2 have been in the same arena as Tampa, St Louis and Washington - the last three to win a cup. The avs are trending in the right way in every stat that I can see points towards that trend.

They lost to a weaker team IMO, but kinda semantics there.

You must be looking at different numbers than me. Combined 18-19 to this season, Avs sit 27 at .098. Tampa is #1 at .295. St Louis is #14 at .164 and Washington is #3 at .237. If you shift to 17-18 through 19-20. Tampa is still #1 at .314, St Louis is #12 at .163. Washington is #4 at .205... meanwhile Avs are #30 at .090. These are not even close to the same realms. The Avs are much closer to the Ottawa and Detroit's of the NHL than the Tampa's.

 

[Moosehead1]

10 goals in 6 games so far in February. 1.667 goals a game in the month. Shut out twice. That is exciting offensive hockey to you??

People need to lose the 8 goal game against St Louis and the 7 goal game against San Jose. This team is bad offensively and boring to watch right now.

Lol your talking about the same period of time they were missing games / players to injuries and covid?

why do we need to lose 5,7,8 goal games - those are exciting. 3 or more is exciting too. Sure, every team loses and those games suck. But that’s part of the sport no?

 

[Moosehead1]

They lost to a weaker team IMO, but kinda semantics there.

You must be looking at different numbers than me. Combined 18-19 to this season, Avs sit 27 at .098. Tampa is #1 at .295. St Louis is #14 at .164 and Washington is #3 at .237. If you shift to 17-18 through 19-20. Tampa is still #1 at .314, St Louis is #12 at .163. Washington is #4 at .205... meanwhile Avs are #30 at .090. These are not even close to the same realms. The Avs are much closer to the Ottawa and Detroit's of the NHL than the Tampa's.

I wouldn’t call it semantics. The avs were beat by a hot goalie and a really shitty bounce.

Team	Seasons	Trailing after 2	Leading after 2	Total points
Avalanche	2017/18 - 2019/20	7-59-12 (26)	97-6-10 (204)	230
Lightning	2017/18 - 2019/20	22-47-1 (45)	106-4-8 (228)	263
Blues	2017/18 - 2019/20	13-62-10 (36)	94-3-10 (198)	234
Capitals	2017/18 -2019/20	16-52-10 (46)	100-6-7 (207)	253
Red wings	2017/18 - 2019/20	11-101-9 (31)	59-7-11 (129)	160

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[redacted]

I wouldn’t call it semantics. The avs were beat by a hot goalie and a really shitty bounce.

Team	Seasons	Trailing after 2	Leading after 2	Total points
Avalanche	2017/18 - 2019/20	7-59-12 (26)	97-6-10 (204)	230
Lightning	2017/18 - 2019/20	22-47-1 (45)	106-4-8 (228)	263
Blues	2017/18 - 2019/20	13-62-10 (36)	94-3-10 (198)	234
Capitals	2017/18 -2019/20	16-52-10 (46)	100-6-7 (207)	253
Red wings	2017/18 - 2019/20	11-101-9 (31)	59-7-11 (129)	160

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

The Avs were beat the prior season by Landy being offside.

You're proving my point with those numbers. Washington and Tampa are WAY ahead of the Avs and Avs are worse than Detroit. The numbers don't lie with this. Avs suck when they are down after periods and when they don't score first.

Side note, Tampa's numbers throughout this, combined with how consistently ahead tactically they are just show how good of coach Cooper is. Many of the players hate him, but damn does he get results.

 

[Belgican]

Bednar is a players coach, I hate that, just protecting the top players instead of sending them a real message, blaming the rookies, blaming the defense when we don’t even score

 

[CharlesPuck]

Lol your talking about the same period of time they were missing games / players to injuries and covid?

why do we need to lose 5,7,8 goal games - those are exciting. 3 or more is exciting too. Sure, every team loses and those games suck. But that’s part of the sport no?

LOL 10/6 is the same no matter what break you are talking about.

 

[Moosehead1]

The Avs were beat the prior season by Landy being offside.

You're proving my point with those numbers. Washington and Tampa are WAY ahead of the Avs and Avs are worse than Detroit. The numbers don't lie with this. Avs suck when they are down after periods and when they don't score first.

Side note, Tampa's numbers throughout this, combined with how consistently ahead tactically they are just show how good of coach Cooper is. Many of the players hate him, but damn does he get results.

They’re not way ahead? They’re in the same ballpark. And if you dissect each season theyve only improved.

Detroit has lost 111 games trailing after two. That means that they’ve been trailing after 2 more than twice the amount of games the avs have. They are no where near similar.

 

[Moosehead1]

LOL 10/6 is the same no matter what break you are talking about.

So are 5,7,8 or 3+