Jared Bednar Discussion

[Foppa2118]

@henchman24 posted the stats in a thread the other day and they were very bad.

If those stats included Bednar's record from his first year, where the Avs had their worst season in 25 years, then that’s incredibly misleading.

Like I said previously, when Bednar finally had a contending team last year, the Avs were the 4th best team in the NHL in winning % when trailing first, and the 6th best team when trailing after 1 period.

Shouldn't his record with a good team be more important than his record with a bad team? If we're using stats to evaluate him, he was actually good at making adjustments and helping his team come back last year. Not bad.

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[klozge]

Avs will have a player meeting without the coaches and will snap out of the current funk. They'll score a bunch of powerplay goals in a couple of games against a team with a passive penalty kill and everybody will think that issue is solved as well. Then we'll enter the playoffs and lose because we'll run into a hot goaltender and because our PP won't work.
We've been there, guys. Same shit every year with Bedsy. Difficult to replace a coach when there's no time for practice sessions, though.

 

[Reparlana]

Playing the same teams 8 times this year is definitely a coaching battle. The pp needs to get going this has gone in far to long. I think bednar can get it done, in a few weeks we will be laughing at this thread. The locker room is tight knit leadership is string and cohesive. The boys got this the sky is not falling.

 

[forsbergavs32]

I don’t think Bednar is a bad coach but I agree with him not making adjustments in game when they’re behind. When they score first they just keep rolling and aren’t needing to adjust but when they’re down a goal or 2 they just look lost and it just seems like there’s no change in plans, just keep playing and hope they score. It’s been like this since Bednar got here.

I also agree that this just may be the coach’s message getting stale. Unless your name is Scotty Bowman a coach’s shelf life isn’t all that long. I like Bednar and all but it could be getting to that point where it’s time for a change behind the bench. This team needs a spark badly.

 

[Mackinn on your girl]

It looks to me like Mackinnon is fed up and not going to do Bednar's job for him anymore. I really believe that Mack has been the driving force behind the success the boys have had the last few years. His hatred for losing and will to win got the team fired up for almost every game. I think he's had enough of Bednar and isn't going to cover for the coaching staff anymore. This may be a wild conspiracy theory but I haven't seen the same fire from Mack or the rest of the team this year and I'm not sure that Mack has ever cared very much for Bednar.

 

[redacted]

@henchman24 posted the stats in a thread the other day and they were very bad.

@James G and I are just looking at different timeframes. He's only looking at last season, I'm looking over tenure or tenure excluding Bednar's first season. @Cousin Eddie and I debated this earlier this season. Where I think last year was a blip or fluke as the rest of the tenure says something very different. CE said it could be growth, which is certainly possible. We'll know by the end of the season where this falls.

 

[redacted]

Solely focusing on this season only... Avs are 0-3-0 when trailing after 1. 0-5-0 when trailing after 2. Obviously both of those are tied for last. 1-4 when trailing first, this is 22nd in the league. Only two teams have zero trailing wins, Vancouver and New Jersey. Now here is the other side of this coin... when trailing, the Avs have the lowest PDO in the league. I'm not the biggest PDO fan, but situations way outside the normal are things that usually correct. Getting sub .880 sv and shooting at a mid 3% rate. These numbers are so far below where they should be, that regression up will be bound to happen. The argument that only a little regression will happen is that the Avs are pretty mediocre with their chances... they throw a ton of shots and play firewagon hockey, but don't actually create a lot of danger. But the should be doing a lot better than they are.

 

[CharlesPuck]

If he has such a great system, why do they look like terrible most nights?

 

[Murzu]

If he has such a great system, why do they look like terrible most nights?

To be fair, most nights our team looks very good.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

If he has such a great system, why do they look like terrible most nights?

Well, we've said all along the jerseys they are wearing are awful. Especially those damn away jerseys.

 

[CharlesPuck]

To be fair, most nights our team looks very good.

Really? In what aspects?

 

[redacted]

Really? In what aspects?

They score first goals at the highest rate in the league (or very near it). The scoring chance rates against are very low (top 5-10) while being a top 10 scoring chance for team... meaning top 5 two way teams in the league. This plays out with having some of the best goals against numbers while being a high scoring team. Which translates into them being a top 5 if not the top 5v5 team in the league. IIRC the 5v5 goal differential was the highest in the league last year and combined for the previous 3 years is top 5. Basically you won't find many categories the Avs are bad in stats wise... except the inability to come back from deficits. Where they are horrendous.

 

[CharlesPuck]

They score first goals at the highest rate in the league (or very near it). The scoring chance rates against are very low (top 5-10) while being a top 10 scoring chance for team... meaning top 5 two way teams in the league. This plays out with having some of the best goals against numbers while being a high scoring team. Which translates into them being a top 5 if not the top 5v5 team in the league. IIRC the 5v5 goal differential was the highest in the league last year and combined for the previous 3 years is top 5. Basically you won't find many categories the Avs are bad in stats wise... except the inability to come back from deficits. Where they are horrendous.

Maybe thats why I don't like him. Its boring hockey. Avs are 20th in goals for and 5th in goals against. If that translated to a much better record, it would be different. But right now its boring hockey with poor results. I would rather watch a 6-5 game any night.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Maybe thats why I don't like him. Its boring hockey. Avs are 20th in goals for and 5th in goals against. If that translated to a much better record, it would be different. But right now its boring hockey with poor results. I would rather watch a 6-5 game any night.

I dont think you read what he said.

We are a Top 5 team both in goals for, and goals against(Meaning we allow very few goals against).



At 5 on 5 we are legitimately one of the best teams in the league. We are not playing like it right now, and if the trend continues, there's concerns to be had for sure... But this is also literally a 2 game stretch right now. That's it. One loss being against one of the other Top 5 teams in the league.




Honestly if you come away from Avs games thinking we are a boring team to watch and play a boring style.... Maybe hockey isn't the sport for you. Really have no idea how one can think this team is boring. That's probably the last trait you use to describe us.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Maybe thats why I don't like him. Its boring hockey. Avs are 20th in goals for and 5th in goals against. If that translated to a much better record, it would be different. But right now its boring hockey with poor results. I would rather watch a 6-5 game any night.

I don't think the Avs are boring to watch at all. It's been rough to watch the last few games, but I don't think that has anything to do with Bednars system. More to do with the fact that every player has looked incredibly disengaged.

 

[Richard88]

I don't think the Avs are boring to watch at all. It's been rough to watch the last few games, but I don't think that has anything to do with Bednars system. More to do with the fact that every player has looked incredibly disengaged.

I agree. The system is fine, and is a good fit for the players we have.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

I don't think the Avs are boring to watch at all. It's been rough to watch the last few games, but I don't think that has anything to do with Bednars system. More to do with the fact that every player has looked incredibly disengaged.

That actually is a coaching issue.

I don’t think it’s been consistent enough to fault Bednar at this point. I’ll be keeping an eye on it though.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Again, I dont think it's disengaged. More like frustration boiling over combined with being rusty.

We've hit a pretty high number of posts in the last 5 games for example. And have run into some stellar goaltending as well. I think there's a building frustration on the players that some of these opportunities aren't finding the back of the net.


And, more to that point. I dont think it helps when you see a guy like Mackinnon getting so visibly discouraged and frustrated on the ice when things aren't going well. That shit absolutely has a trickle down effect on the roster. It's one area of his game that he really needs to work on and spend more time around Sid with. One thing about Sid is you almost never see him get frustrated during a game. It's part of what makes him who he is as a player.


It's also a big reason why I kind of laugh at the people who ever suggest Mack should be the captain of this team. He just doesn't have the leadership abilities on the ice.

 

[The Abusement Park]

That actually is a coaching issue.

I don’t think it’s been consistent enough to fault Bednar at this point. I’ll be keeping an eye on it though.

I'm not saying it's not a coaching issue. I'm just saying that the boring unwatchable games at the moment aren't based around the system Bednar wants the team to be executing.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Bednars fine. Could benefit from having a seasoned former NHL coach on his bench. Needs to figure out how to come back in games. Needs to adjust on the fly. Those are the things preventing him from being a great coach. Fire him after a 2 game losing streak to Vegas and Minnesota? No. Fire him if he loses the next 4 and the team is fully healthy? Lets talk about it.

 

[redacted]

I don't know why people are shocked or surprised at this. This isn't an effort or disinterested thing. This is a yearly cycle at this point. At some point, in the early part of the season... teams adjust to what Bednar had done out of the gate. The Avs have 4-6 bad games and lose most of them. This happens every season. 17-18 between games 14-18 the Avs went 1-3-1. In 18-19, between games 10-16 the Avs went 1-5-1. 19-20 between games 9-15 the Avs went 1-5-1. This year there is something creeping in. Games 10+ the Avs are 3-3-1, 12+ 2-3... the next game or two will signal if we are in the same stretch that usually happens to the Avs. The good thing is, 2 of the last 3 times the Avs have went on a tear for 10-15 games once they click out of it. Usually followed by another slump that hits in the mid to late 30s in games.

When teams have tape and adjust to the Avs, the Avs slump. It takes Bednar 4-7 games to adjust to that, then they go on another tear. Which teams adjust to again. This is just the cycle under Bednar. It actually trends positive overall, but it is very frustrating it takes so long for Bednar to adjust. In games, and within the season. He's a classic stubborn coach that wants his teams to play strictly one way.

 

[hoserthehorrible]

The Avs have stretches of playing well and dominating the play but then they have too many times where they are getting outworked and almost look like they are taking a breather. I don't think they are lazy or lacking the desire to win; however, it almost feels like the players are pacing themselves because they have to play so many games in so few days/nights.

The team has the talent, and the depth, to finish near the top of the league and go far in the playoffs. Right now the inconsistency in their level of play is a concern though. They're currently 6th in the West and even though they've played fewer games than most teams they do need to get things figured out sooner rather than later.

 

[Avsboy]

Bednar keeps skating the boys to death during practice, and during games they might have to adjust and play dump and chase hockey with a heavy forecheck.

 

[redacted]

Bednar keeps skating the boys to death during practice, and during games they might have to adjust and play dump and chase hockey with a heavy forecheck.

Bednar won't do that. Not his style... and it is a reason Avs have issues with trap teams. They try to skill their way to a win instead of grinding.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Again, I dont think it's disengaged. More like frustration boiling over combined with being rusty.

We've hit a pretty high number of posts in the last 5 games for example. And have run into some stellar goaltending as well. I think there's a building frustration on the players that some of these opportunities aren't finding the back of the net.


And, more to that point. I dont think it helps when you see a guy like Mackinnon getting so visibly discouraged and frustrated on the ice when things aren't going well. That shit absolutely has a trickle down effect on the roster. It's one area of his game that he really needs to work on and spend more time around Sid with. One thing about Sid is you almost never see him get frustrated during a game. It's part of what makes him who he is as a player.


It's also a big reason why I kind of laugh at the people who ever suggest Mack should be the captain of this team. He just doesn't have the leadership abilities on the ice.

I’m in agreement on MacKinnon.

I don’t see that part of his game/personality changing either. When Landeskog leaves i’d give the C to a couple other players before MacK.