Confirmed with Link: Jakub Voracek Signs 8-year/$66M Extension ($8.25AAV)

[Juicy Pop]

If Holmgren was still in charge I would be panicking right now.

 

[Ernest95]

Great job by hexy, glad that he's getting these guys signed for long term.

 

[Rebels57]

Love Jake, Surprised he got as much as he did. Wish Hexy could've gotten him for less. Does anyone know what our cap situation is looking like for next year?

Why are you surprised that the 5th leading scorer in the NHL last season and the 10th leading scorer in the NHL over the last 3 seasons is now the 10th highest paid forward in the NHL?

 

[Audible Velvet]

After seeing the breakdown and knowing they're not stuck with NTC or NMC, I like it even more. I do hope we have him for the duration, but those things make me nervous.

 

[Jtown]

Why are you surprised that the 5th leading scorer in the NHL last season and the 10th leading scorer in the NHL over the last 3 seasons is now the 10th highest paid forward in the NHL?

this was his first real dominate full season. G had to have 3 seasons like this to earn his contract, jake only 1.

 

[Curufinwe]

Voracek just had three seasons scoring at a 73 points per 82 game pace. That's how he earned a measly $750,00 premium over what Tarasenko (62 point pace) and ROR (60 point pace) got.

His salary and bonus details are up. The contract is front loaded, but not terribly so.

http://www.generalfanager.com/players/1561

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6.25
7.5

 

[Appleyard]

Also if we do the sensible thing and buyout Umberger and Vinny next summer (Umbergers would be $1.6, $1.5m, Vinnys $2.916, $2.416, $0.916, $0.916):

2016-17:

xxxxx -- Giroux ($8.275m) -- Voracek ($8.25m)
Read ($3.625m) -- Couturier ($4.333m) -- Simmonds ($3.975m)
xxxxx -- Laughton ($0.863m) -- xxxxx
Bellemare ($0.712m) -- xxxxx -- VandeVelde ($0.712m)
xxxxx

MacDonald ($5m) -- Streit ($5.25m)
Del Zotto ($3.875m) -- Provorov ($0.925m)
Morin ($0.863m) -- Gostisbehere ($0.925m)
Schultz ($2.25m)


Mason ($4.1m)
Neuvirth ($1.625m)

Umberger buyout ($1.6m)
Lecavalier buyout ($2.917m)

$60.075m

Still without trading any of Streit, Schultz or Read... one of the D will certainly be gone.

 

[deeshamrock]

You can have Schenn and Raffl on the team next year making about $7m, as well as Read. You just need to buy out one of Umberger or Vinny, or trade them with retained salary.

You might, Hexy's not headed that way. Don't forget he was a pretty active voice in getting Schenn moved out of LA, he's seen a lot of his game and knows it's lacking in most areas. He's turning 24 next month and going into his 5th year, this is Schenn, you can't coach lack of hockey IQ or instinct.

From the Daily news - Hexy on not signing Schenn

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/f...320225021.html

“I’m not sure there’ll be a push,” Hextall said Thursday. “I’ve spoke with Brayden’s agents a number of times over the summer about different things and the subject has never come up. It’s not something we’re in a hurry to do and I’m assuming they feel the same way.”
Schenn might not be in Flyers long term plans.
"I don’t anticipate signing Brayden, which never means that you’re not going to. But it’s not something that we’ll actively pursue. .”

translation might be they've been trying to trade him for awhile and no takers, so he'll walk.

Jake's an elite winger that doesn't get the respect he deserves, I think. He's the 3rd leading scoring winger in the NHL over the last 4 years behind Ovie and Kessel, that's pretty solid numbers and I'm sure was part of the ammo his agent used.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLMooUIUAAABLtp.jpg

Jake's game took a huge step forward last year, he reminds me a lot of Hossa and there's no reason to think he won't continue to produce well into his 30's.

 

[Curufinwe]

translation might be they've been trying to trade him for awhile and no takers, so he'll walk.

That's not a translation, that's you ignoring what Hextall said and inserting your own opinion.

 

[deeshamrock]

That's not a translation, that's you ignoring what Hextall said and inserting your own opinion.

That was my opinion, I didn't hide it. And I didn't invent Hexy's quotes, he stated them. You can interpret it another way, so can anyone else. That's why this forum is open to debates, everybody can express what they think.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Also if we do the sensible thing and buyout Umberger and Vinny next summer (Umbergers would be $1.6, $1.5m, Vinnys $2.916, $2.416, $0.916, $0.916):

2016-17:

xxxxx -- Giroux ($8.275m) -- Voracek ($8.25m)
Read ($3.625m) -- Couturier ($4.333m) -- Simmonds ($3.975m)
xxxxx -- Laughton ($0.863m) -- xxxxx
Bellemare ($0.712m) -- xxxxx -- VandeVelde ($0.712m)
xxxxx

MacDonald ($5m) -- Streit ($5.25m)
Del Zotto ($3.875m) -- Provorov ($0.925m)
Morin ($0.863m) -- Gostisbehere ($0.925m)
Schultz ($2.25m)


Mason ($4.1m)
Neuvirth ($1.625m)

Umberger buyout ($1.6m)
Lecavalier buyout ($2.917m)

$60.075m

Still without trading any of Streit, Schultz or Read... one of the D will certainly be gone.

I am holding out hope they find a sucker for Vinny and Umberger. MacD as well.

 

[Ryker]

Also if we do the sensible thing and buyout Umberger and Vinny next summer (Umbergers would be $1.6, $1.5m, Vinnys $2.916, $2.416, $0.916, $0.916):

2016-17:

xxxxx -- Giroux ($8.275m) -- Voracek ($8.25m)
Read ($3.625m) -- Couturier ($4.333m) -- Simmonds ($3.975m)
xxxxx -- Laughton ($0.863m) -- xxxxx
Bellemare ($0.712m) -- xxxxx -- VandeVelde ($0.712m)
xxxxx

MacDonald ($5m) -- Streit ($5.25m)
Del Zotto ($3.875m) -- Provorov ($0.925m)
Morin ($0.863m) -- Gostisbehere ($0.925m)
Schultz ($2.25m)


Mason ($4.1m)
Neuvirth ($1.625m)

Umberger buyout ($1.6m)
Lecavalier buyout ($2.917m)

$60.075m

Still without trading any of Streit, Schultz or Read... one of the D will certainly be gone.

So you think Medvedev doesn't stick?

 

[Rebels57]

Also if we do the sensible thing and buyout Umberger and Vinny next summer (Umbergers would be $1.6, $1.5m, Vinnys $2.916, $2.416, $0.916, $0.916):

2016-17:

xxxxx -- Giroux ($8.275m) -- Voracek ($8.25m)
Read ($3.625m) -- Couturier ($4.333m) -- Simmonds ($3.975m)
xxxxx -- Laughton ($0.863m) -- xxxxx
Bellemare ($0.712m) -- xxxxx -- VandeVelde ($0.712m)
xxxxx

MacDonald ($5m) -- Streit ($5.25m)
Del Zotto ($3.875m) -- Provorov ($0.925m)
Morin ($0.863m) -- Gostisbehere ($0.925m)
Schultz ($2.25m)


Mason ($4.1m)
Neuvirth ($1.625m)

Umberger buyout ($1.6m)
Lecavalier buyout ($2.917m)

$60.075m

Still without trading any of Streit, Schultz or Read... one of the D will certainly be gone.

I'm hoping to see Konecny on either the 2nd line in place of Read or the 3rd line on Laughtons wing. I would imagine guys like Lindblom, Aube-Kubel, and Leier will be pushing for that other 3rd line spot.

 

[CodyTheHuman]

You might, Hexy's not headed that way. Don't forget he was a pretty active voice in getting Schenn moved out of LA, he's seen a lot of his game and knows it's lacking in most areas. He's turning 24 next month and going into his 5th year, this is Schenn, you can't coach lack of hockey IQ or instinct.

From the Daily news - Hexy on not signing Schenn

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/f...320225021.html


translation might be they've been trying to trade him for awhile and no takers, so he'll walk.

Jake's an elite winger that doesn't get the respect he deserves, I think. He's the 3rd leading scoring winger in the NHL over the last 4 years behind Ovie and Kessel, that's pretty solid numbers and I'm sure was part of the ammo his agent used.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLMooUIUAAABLtp.jpg

Jake's game took a huge step forward last year, he reminds me a lot of Hossa and there's no reason to think he won't continue to produce well into his 30's.

I sincerely doubt that B. Schenn will just "walk." If they were trying to trade him he'd be gone. Hextall's quotes are talking about this offseason. There is no push to sign him this offseason. He even said they would play out the year and see what happens. If Hextall wants him he'll end up signed, if not he'll end up traded. You don't let 24 year old RFAs walk. That's horrible asset management.

 

[FLYERSG]

Meh, slightly more than I was hoping for (8 x 8). But not bad at all.

 

[tymed]

I was hoping to pay a little less with that kind of term, but really its not that bad especially with dodging the NMC etc. He's our most effective 5 on 5 player, gotta lock him up, he's not going to slow down any time soon thats forsure.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I was hoping to pay a little less with that kind of term, but really its not that bad especially with dodging the NMC etc. He's our most effective 5 on 5 player, gotta lock him up, he's not going to slow down any time soon thats forsure.

The Kings under Lombardi typically haven't handed out any type of trade protection with their player's contracts. Although with that they've had to pay a little more in term &/or money. It seems like Hextall is going to follow the same model.

 

[cheesesteakarmor]

After seeing the breakdown and knowing they're not stuck with NTC or NMC, I like it even more. I do hope we have him for the duration, but those things make me nervous.

To be fair though, the real world money owed and the high cap hit mean that trading Jake would be really difficult.

 

[Audible Velvet]

To be fair though, the real world money owed and the high cap hit mean that trading Jake would be really difficult.

I agree. I just like the flexibility because we can't see what the future will bring 6, 7, 8 years from now. The thought of seeing that type of situation unfold is unpleasant for sure. Here's to Jake having a long and productive career as a Flyer!

 

[Tripod]

I wish his deal was a little more front loaded so that his last few years were around 5 million so that if his play does slip, he is still valued as a 5 million dollar player by some non cap teams.

Ideally, I wish the length on Couts and Voracek's contracts were reversed.

 

[BernieParent]

Also if we do the sensible thing and buyout Umberger and Vinny next summer (Umbergers would be $1.6, $1.5m, Vinnys $2.916, $2.416, $0.916, $0.916):

2016-17:

xxxxx -- Giroux ($8.275m) -- Voracek ($8.25m)
Read ($3.625m) -- Couturier ($4.333m) -- Simmonds ($3.975m)
xxxxx -- Laughton ($0.863m) -- xxxxx
Bellemare ($0.712m) -- xxxxx -- VandeVelde ($0.712m)
xxxxx

MacDonald ($5m) -- Streit ($5.25m)
Del Zotto ($3.875m) -- Provorov ($0.925m)
Morin ($0.863m) -- Gostisbehere ($0.925m)
Schultz ($2.25m)


Mason ($4.1m)
Neuvirth ($1.625m)

Umberger buyout ($1.6m)
Lecavalier buyout ($2.917m)

$60.075m

Still without trading any of Streit, Schultz or Read... one of the D will certainly be gone.

I'm good with the Umberger buyout at that price, but Lecavalier's would hurt. Also, did you trade B Schenn in your line-up idea?

 

[Appleyard]

I'm good with the Umberger buyout at that price, but Lecavalier's would hurt. Also, did you trade B Schenn in your line-up idea?

Schenn and Raffl are not there as they are not contracted for then... so they would have to be resigned with the money spare.

I think Vinny's buyout hurts less when it is factored in that he is contracted for 2016-17 and 2017-18... if he is not good enough to be in the lineup (which he certainly will not be) it simply means buying him out would save 1.5m in 2016-17, 2m in 2017-18, and cost us 916k in 2018-19 and 2019-20.

If he is going to be a healthy scratch anyway may as well just buy him out tbh... since he is a minus to the team 916k less cap space in 2018-19 and 2019-20 seems an ok price to pay.

I think the best way of looking at it is if we bought out both Vinny and Umberger in summer 2016 here would be the combined cap savings each year of doing so as opposed to keeping them on the roster:

2016-17: $4.583m
2017-18: $0.583m
2018-19: -$0.916m
2019-20: -$0.916m

Considering that at this stage Umberger is a bottom sixer and Vinny a healthy scratch it would only cost ~$1m to replace what both bring to the team.

The Umberger buyout for 2017-18 is the only real annoyance for me... as we are having $1.5m of cap-space eaten when he would not have even be under contract. Not too big a deal and evened out a bit by saving 2m on Vinny in that year.

I think if neither can be moved by next summer and Umberger does not rebound to a ~15 goal ~40 point kind of player buying both out is the most sensible move. If Umberger plays well next year and there is no problem getting him under cap without negatively affecting the lineup I could stomach keeping him in 2016-17 and letting him expire... $4.5m for a 3rd liner sucks, but if it saved us $1.5m on the cap the year after it would be ok. But a lot depends on the cap and potential resignings...

though now with Giroux, Voracek, Couturier and Simmonds tied up for some time there should not really be any big raises in the foreseeable future unless Schenn breaks out... Mason likely gets an extra ~$2m in summer 2017, when Ghost and Laughton will likely get bridges, then summer 2018 and 2019 will be the rest of the young Ds extensions will happen. I think 2019 is really the next point we may have to worry about the cap... but if we have to it means that we likely have 2 superstar young Dmen!

 

[Rebels57]

this was his first real dominate full season. G had to have 3 seasons like this to earn his contract, jake only 1.

Not his fault there was a lock-out in 2013. There is no reason to believe he would have slowed down. 46 points in 48 games is a dominant.

 

[SchennSational1022*]

You might, Hexy's not headed that way. Don't forget he was a pretty active voice in getting Schenn moved out of LA, he's seen a lot of his game and knows it's lacking in most areas. He's turning 24 next month and going into his 5th year, this is Schenn, you can't coach lack of hockey IQ or instinct.

From the Daily news - Hexy on not signing Schenn

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/f...320225021.html


translation might be they've been trying to trade him for awhile and no takers, so he'll walk.

Jake's an elite winger that doesn't get the respect he deserves, I think. He's the 3rd leading scoring winger in the NHL over the last 4 years behind Ovie and Kessel, that's pretty solid numbers and I'm sure was part of the ammo his agent used.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLMooUIUAAABLtp.jpg

Jake's game took a huge step forward last year, he reminds me a lot of Hossa and there's no reason to think he won't continue to produce well into his 30's.

The bold regarding Brayden is complete ********

 

[Rebels57]

If Voracek follows the trajectory of a guy like Hossa, which is very realistic, he will still productive at the end of this deal. Hossa is 36 and still a 60 point winger in a league with not many of them.