Traded Jakob Chychrun (D)
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Larsson would be one of the best shut down guys we've had since Volchenkov. I'm so down for a Chchyrun deal that brings back Larsson
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The Devilish Buffoon
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He can be, but he's being asked (and failing) to be the type of player that he needs to play with in order to be one.
Mingus Dew
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I don't think he's anything more that a solid middle pairing offense first guy.
Which, in fairness, is what Yotes fans told us he was from the beginning.
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Funny, I remember the opposite from Yotes fans. So much overhyping.
I think there are scenarios in which he could be a fine top pairing option but agreed that they are limited. On a good team, he's likely as you described him.
PoutineSp00nZ
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Chychrun or Chabot?
That's the choice that needs to be made this summer. Both appear to be made of glass, Chychrun has been healthy this year but will that continue?
Chabot seems to have a better transition game. Chychrun an absolute cannon of a shot that the Sens desperately need. Both have warts defensively.
Beats the hell out of me what to do. I guess if Chychrun doesn't demand Chabot money he makes more sense.
That's the choice that needs to be made this summer. Both appear to be made of glass, Chychrun has been healthy this year but will that continue?
Chabot seems to have a better transition game. Chychrun an absolute cannon of a shot that the Sens desperately need. Both have warts defensively.
Beats the hell out of me what to do. I guess if Chychrun doesn't demand Chabot money he makes more sense.
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Nac Mac Feegle
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Chabot > Chychrun, very easily
so if that is what you think he is...and Sanderson is the first pair LHD, doesn't that just scream dump Chabot at you?
is it that easy?
I think Chabot is a more talented player and I think his best game is better than Chychrun's best game but we see far too much lazy play from Chabot and we see our interim coach calling out a lack of compete
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Chychrun or Chabot depends on how much Chychrun wants on his next contract.
Around $6 million or less I keep Chychrun.
I’m not down with paying Chychrun more than Weegar, Lindholm etc etc.
I think Chychrun is an effective player if used properly, but he’s not really an all purpose guy.
I’d like to see him paired with Zub for 10 games, and green light him to jump into the offence in transition more often. I think that’s his core strength. Let him (and Sanderson) cycle down low and confuse the other team more in the ozone.
If it’s more than $6 ish then get assets for him and keep Chabot for now.
Around $6 million or less I keep Chychrun.
I’m not down with paying Chychrun more than Weegar, Lindholm etc etc.
I think Chychrun is an effective player if used properly, but he’s not really an all purpose guy.
I’d like to see him paired with Zub for 10 games, and green light him to jump into the offence in transition more often. I think that’s his core strength. Let him (and Sanderson) cycle down low and confuse the other team more in the ozone.
If it’s more than $6 ish then get assets for him and keep Chabot for now.
Mingus Dew
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Assuming Chychrun is going to be cheaper then yes.
Otherwise just trade whomever gets us the better return.
They are basically the same player, with Chabot getting the edge re: transition and Chychrun getting the edge re: shot.
it'll be interesting to see this one play out and if Chychrun signs here, for how much.
here's a list of D man AAV.
NHL Rankings
The problem is that Chabot @ 8 is paid as a top 15 D man and he isn't that. 45th on this list is 6M. if you go to 6.5, that's 30th on the list. That is top pair money but mid to low end top pair and Chychrun around there works better to me than Chabot at 8.
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I’m just not impressed with his defensive decision making and effort in defensive transition and in his own zone. I was expecting a lot more physicality and someone who was tougher to play against. His shot is great and he’s decent keeping the puck in on the o blue line. But he doesn’t have the vision, creativity, or wheels that chabot has. Chabot was playing much better before getting injured - which is far too often. Still I’d take chabby over him for sure. I’m also starting to get on board with options that would see both of them replaced, as much as I think chabot is a great team and community guy.
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I am torn about Chychrun. Some games a really love his play and others I could take or leave him. Honestly, I think he had a really great game against the Pens. He was quiet on the offensive side, but he did a lot defensively, including creating a lot of great breakouts. He's more in the vein of Pietrangelo than Hedman.
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I would not be adverse to trading both Chychrun and Chabot. I think we should stagger moving them so its not absorbing too much change all at once. I expect there will be changes up front as well and possibly in goal. Chabot's M-NTC kicks in so there is some incentive there. Chychrun is likely the easier deal to make.
If we plan to keep one I think its Chabot.
If we plan to keep one I think its Chabot.
Chabot has been better this year overall and I'm sure Staios agrees, but I do wonder if his backloaded contract makes Chychrun a more attractive option.
Even with a new owner I don't know if we're going to be a team that spends massively every year. At the very least real money in vs. money out still matters.
Chabot makes an average of 9.5M per year in real money for the next 4 years. If we could sign Chychrun for significantly less, it might be preferable to ownership.
It's also why I don't think Karlsson is off the table like a lot of people around here. He makes a lot less annually than Chabot for the next 3 seasons.
That's not pocket change.
Even with a new owner I don't know if we're going to be a team that spends massively every year. At the very least real money in vs. money out still matters.
Chabot makes an average of 9.5M per year in real money for the next 4 years. If we could sign Chychrun for significantly less, it might be preferable to ownership.
It's also why I don't think Karlsson is off the table like a lot of people around here. He makes a lot less annually than Chabot for the next 3 seasons.
That's not pocket change.
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Eh I think you're worrying too much, Andlauer hasn't given any indication that we'd lower spenders, and we've been at the cap for the past 2 seasons.
I would simply understand they leave enough room under the cap for Norris, should he be healthy enough at some point during the year to come back and play. If he isn't, I'm happy for Andlauer to pocket the money that was saved.
PoutineSp00nZ
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I think that's fair for what he brings, and fair for the guy who is anchoring your second pair. Sanderson is the team's top defenseman going forward. Chychrun doesn't have to be everything. An offensive game with warts and a bomb on the powerplay is enough. Would be nice if he got a bit better in his own end though.
I'd take Chychrun at 6 over Chabot at 8 for sure.
He may very well spend to the cap, but money in money out still matters.
Extra 2.5M in savings annually can be re-directed towards other areas of the organization that have been neglected for a long time under Melnyk.
Chabot is just by far the better player. I don’t really care what Chych wants at this point, he doesn’t seem to bring much consistently, and other than his shot he lacks much else. When he’s off he looks pedestrian, while Chabby is always great at skating the puck out at the very least.
I wouldn’t be against trading both, but I would never choose Chych over Chabot if we were to keep one over the other. Even a 2 mill difference would suck. I’d rather have another Zub at 5 than Chych at 6 if this is what he is.
Chabby at least plays like an 8 mill D on many a night, especially lately.
Like I said, I’d be down with a full D remake, but caution that not many D can do what Chabby can do, despite the warts. Maybe the next coach could help.
I wouldn’t be against trading both, but I would never choose Chych over Chabot if we were to keep one over the other. Even a 2 mill difference would suck. I’d rather have another Zub at 5 than Chych at 6 if this is what he is.
Chabby at least plays like an 8 mill D on many a night, especially lately.
Like I said, I’d be down with a full D remake, but caution that not many D can do what Chabby can do, despite the warts. Maybe the next coach could help.
Agreed. The only argument I could see towards keeping Chychrun would be that he could potentially be cheaper but that's debatable. I don't think he's what we need which is the bigger picture here. He's a good complement to a partner who can carry a pair, he's just not the right one for us. Even keeping him a 6M doesn't really help us that much in the sense that he's an odd fit and would remain an odd fit.
I would trade Chychrun and keep Chabot. The only way I could see us trading Chabot at this point would be for a change of scenery type of defensemen. I'm throwing this out there but if we had Parayko on the table for Chabot as a base for a deal then I could see something like that to change the dynamic on the backend. Otherwise I think we have every incentive to keep him. I'm not sure many teams would be open to swapping a LHD for a RHD either.
