Traded Jakob Chychrun (D)

[DrEasy]

Agreed. The only argument I could see towards keeping Chychrun would be that he could potentially be cheaper but that's debatable. I don't think he's what we need which is the bigger picture here. He's a good complement to a partner who can carry a pair, he's just not the right one for us. Even keeping him a 6M doesn't really help us that much in the sense that he's an odd fit and would remain an odd fit.

I would trade Chychrun and keep Chabot. The only way I could see us trading Chabot at this point would be for a change of scenery type of defensemen. I'm throwing this out there but if we had Parayko on the table for Chabot as a base for a deal then I could see something like that to change the dynamic on the backend. Otherwise I think we have every incentive to keep him. I'm not sure many teams would be open to swapping a LHD for a RHD either.

I agree. Barring a total remodel, where he'd spend a whole off-season with a guy like Chris Phillips to develop the right defensive instincts, I just don't see Chychrun as a good fit here. He has all the tools, but hasn't put them together IMO.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Be nice to see Chychrun in the LS with Zub for awhile here to see what he really is…

 

[Loach]

I would not be adverse to trading both Chychrun and Chabot. I think we should stagger moving them so its not absorbing too much change all at once. I expect there will be changes up front as well and possibly in goal. Chabot's M-NTC kicks in so there is some incentive there. Chychrun is likely the easier deal to make.

If we plan to keep one I think its Chabot.

Both!

I think that's fair for what he brings, and fair for the guy who is anchoring your second pair. Sanderson is the team's top defenseman going forward. Chychrun doesn't have to be everything. An offensive game with warts and a bomb on the powerplay is enough. Would be nice if he got a bit better in his own end though.

I'd take Chychrun at 6 over Chabot at 8 for sure.

Trade 'em both.

 

[Loach]

Agreed. The only argument I could see towards keeping Chychrun would be that he could potentially be cheaper but that's debatable. I don't think he's what we need which is the bigger picture here. He's a good complement to a partner who can carry a pair, he's just not the right one for us. Even keeping him a 6M doesn't really help us that much in the sense that he's an odd fit and would remain an odd fit.

I would trade Chychrun and keep Chabot. The only way I could see us trading Chabot at this point would be for a change of scenery type of defensemen. I'm throwing this out there but if we had Parayko on the table for Chabot as a base for a deal then I could see something like that to change the dynamic on the backend. Otherwise I think we have every incentive to keep him. I'm not sure many teams would be open to swapping a LHD for a RHD either.

There ya go. Hockey trades. Both of them out, new D corps.

Chychrun or Chabot?

That's the choice that needs to be made this summer. Both appear to be made of glass, Chychrun has been healthy this year but will that continue?

Chabot seems to have a better transition game. Chychrun an absolute cannon of a shot that the Sens desperately need. Both have warts defensively.

Beats the hell out of me what to do. I guess if Chychrun doesn't demand Chabot money he makes more sense.

No. Both. Trade both. Why limit what can be done? 2 dimensional thinking. How many sides on a coin?

 

[BankStreetParade]

Agreed. The only argument I could see towards keeping Chychrun would be that he could potentially be cheaper but that's debatable. I don't think he's what we need which is the bigger picture here. He's a good complement to a partner who can carry a pair, he's just not the right one for us. Even keeping him a 6M doesn't really help us that much in the sense that he's an odd fit and would remain an odd fit.

I would trade Chychrun and keep Chabot. The only way I could see us trading Chabot at this point would be for a change of scenery type of defensemen. I'm throwing this out there but if we had Parayko on the table for Chabot as a base for a deal then I could see something like that to change the dynamic on the backend. Otherwise I think we have every incentive to keep him. I'm not sure many teams would be open to swapping a LHD for a RHD either.

Cap going up and he's a UFA after next year, getting him cheaper than Chabot will be hard.

Early cap projection for 25-26 is $92M. Chabot signed for 9.82% of the cap, at the time of his signing, which would translate to $9.03M per year if Chychrun signed for the same percentage. The worst I could see him doing is the same cap hit as Chabot at $8M AAV, which is 8.7% of the cap. I'm not sure the team wants him at that price and I'm not sure he'd take less to stay here.

Hanifin is probably his closest comp and he's expected to get $7M+ on an $87M cap.

 

[JD1]

Cap going up and he's a UFA after next year, getting him cheaper than Chabot will be hard.

Early cap projection for 25-26 is $92M. Chabot signed for 9.82% of the cap, at the time of his signing, which would translate to $9.03M per year if Chychrun signed for the same percentage. The worst I could see him doing is the same cap hit as Chabot at $8M AAV, which is 8.7% of the cap. I'm not sure the team wants him at that price and I'm not sure he'd take less to stay here.

Hanifin is probably his closest comp and he's expected to get $7M+ on an $87M cap.

idk, I think guys over think what it will take to sign Chychrun. Remember the Zub discussions? Some guys were down for paying him 6.5.

There are 64 top pair guys in 32 team league. The 64th guy salary wise currently is paid 4.6M. Coincidentally, at a T64, we've got Chychrun, Zub and Oleksiak. Is Chychrun going to get a raise? Sure. But 8M is top 15 in the league. Is Chychrun that? I don't think so. I doubt the agent come make a statistical case for that.

 

[Icelevel]

idk, I think guys over think what it will take to sign Chychrun. Remember the Zub discussions? Some guys were down for paying him 6.5.

There are 64 top pair guys in 32 team league. The 64th guy salary wise currently is paid 4.6M. Coincidentally, at a T64, we've got Chychrun, Zub and Oleksiak. Is Chychrun going to get a raise? Sure. But 8M is top 15 in the league. Is Chychrun that? I don't think so. I doubt the agent come make a statistical case for that.

No he’s like 6-6.5 max I’d say.

 

[BankStreetParade]

idk, I think guys over think what it will take to sign Chychrun. Remember the Zub discussions? Some guys were down for paying him 6.5.

There are 64 top pair guys in 32 team league. The 64th guy salary wise currently is paid 4.6M. Coincidentally, at a T64, we've got Chychrun, Zub and Oleksiak. Is Chychrun going to get a raise? Sure. But 8M is top 15 in the league. Is Chychrun that? I don't think so. I doubt the agent come make a statistical case for that.

He might not necessarily be a top 15 guy, even at $8M. These guys are all going to be looking at extensions this summer and the next:

Hronek, Hanifin, Skjei, Harley, Seider, Hedman, Dobson, Bouchard, Faber, Luke Hughes, Theodore, Provorov, Slavin, York, Byram and Ekblad. That's on top of the 19 guys who'll be making $8M+ in 25-26. Not everyone in this list of names will get that kind of money but if you consider Seider, Hedman, Dobson, Bouchard, Ekblad and Theodore are highly likely locks, then you have Hughes, Faber, Salvin right on the cusp. Realistically, $8M is at the low end of the top 30.

Is Chychrun a low end #1? Definitely a compelling case for it. And I'm certain that's what he and his agent will be arguing.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Is he just nervous about being physical because of his injury history?

 

[Boud]

He might not necessarily be a top 15 guy, even at $8M. These guys are all going to be looking at extensions this summer and the next:

Hronek, Hanifin, Skjei, Harley, Seider, Hedman, Dobson, Bouchard, Faber, Luke Hughes, Theodore, Provorov, Slavin, York, Byram and Ekblad. That's on top of the 19 guys who'll be making $8M+ in 25-26. Not everyone in this list of names will get that kind of money but if you consider Seider, Hedman, Dobson, Bouchard, Ekblad and Theodore are highly likely locks, then you have Hughes, Faber, Salvin right on the cusp. Realistically, $8M is at the low end of the top 30.

Is Chychrun a low end #1? Definitely a compelling case for it. And I'm certain that's what he and his agent will be arguing.

To me Chychrun is playing a lot more like a #3 than a low end #1.

 

[mysens]

He is awful today again in NY….maybe the turd is playing $hit on purpose so he become a non commodity for a trade. He will play his best when it comes time for new contract. I just can’t believe this hold out and sit out queen sucks this much.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Is he just nervous about being physical because of his injury history?

He’s not really a physical player at all eh. Surprised for a guy with his size and strength.

 

[Good in Osgoode]

He’s not really a physical player at all eh. Surprised for a guy with his size and strength.

Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

 

[ottawagm]

He's just a nice guy playing poorly right now, so we can get him at a discount on his next deal.

Chychrun at ~8x6.5M fits a lot better.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

He might not necessarily be a top 15 guy, even at $8M. These guys are all going to be looking at extensions this summer and the next:

Hronek, Hanifin, Skjei, Harley, Seider, Hedman, Dobson, Bouchard, Faber, Luke Hughes, Theodore, Provorov, Slavin, York, Byram and Ekblad. That's on top of the 19 guys who'll be making $8M+ in 25-26. Not everyone in this list of names will get that kind of money but if you consider Seider, Hedman, Dobson, Bouchard, Ekblad and Theodore are highly likely locks, then you have Hughes, Faber, Salvin right on the cusp. Realistically, $8M is at the low end of the top 30.

Is Chychrun a low end #1? Definitely a compelling case for it. And I'm certain that's what he and his agent will be arguing.

I think you can almost guarantee that there will be 50+ D making $6.25m+ by the time of Chychrun's extension - the 38 guys already signed, plus Hedman, Hanifin, Seider, Ekblad, Faber, Theodore, Dobson, Bouchard, L Hughes, Slavin, and likely at least a small handful of Montour, Hronek, Skjei, Harley, Moser, Durzi, Pesce, Orlov, Provorov, Pionk, Pettersson, Miller, Byram, York, Burns, Guhle, Rot or even Tanev or Larsson.

So in my mind discussions are starting at $6.25m and going up, and I'm not sure how much we can go beyond that.

 

[SensHulk]

In the article with Ian, it did seem like he alluded to trade speculation getting to him and that it’s still continuing because of contract status. As a professional, that comes with the territory but maybe it is weighing him down and he’s a lot better than what he’s showing.

 

[Dionysus]

Nice that he has been healthy this season. Play has been a bit up and down. Still think it's a toss-up between him and Chabot, but seems unlikely both stick around.

 

[mysens]

No way he is worth anything over 6 the way he is playing. Quite disappointed in him. Another bill of goods that was over-advertised. Like a Bobby Ryan.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

No way he is worth anything over 6 the way he is playing. Quite disappointed in him. Another bill of goods that was over-advertised. Like a Bobby Ryan.

Agree and I am not giving him 8 years. I would just cut bait and trade him.

 

[bicboi64]

Even if he only signs for $6-7 million, I'd rather pick Chabot over him (or get rid of them both). Dude isn't consistent enough to be our 2LD

 

[coladin]

NO way he is better than Chabot, in any facet of his game. And Sanderson is the young stud. He just doesn't fit and must be traded

 

[Hale The Villain]

In the article with Ian, it did seem like he alluded to trade speculation getting to him and that it’s still continuing because of contract status. As a professional, that comes with the territory but maybe it is weighing him down and he’s a lot better than what he’s showing.

I think he's looked a lot better since the deadline, for what it's worth.

 

[Tuna99]

Bad player. Be surprised if we even get a 1st rounder for him. Just no full time hockey sense

 

[mysens]

Bad player. Be surprised if we even get a 1st rounder for him. Just no full time hockey sense

Not looking like we get a first for this dud. Horrificly bad.

 

[Tuna99]

Not looking like we get a first for this dud. Horrificly bad.

His game awareness is terrible, he never seems to be a game changer or there for big moments. He has no fire extinguisher element to his game and his battle level for where the team is at is sad.