Mike Sullivan was pushing Pittsburgh management hard all last season to trade for Chychrun, fortunately for us Ron Hextall was an even more inept GM than Dorion.
Traded Jakob Chychrun (D)
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SpezDispenser
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Phew.
EDIT: Not sure Pitts had the pieces though, I assume Arizona wanted a top 15 pick +
Golden_Jet
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It’s surprising this guy is only 25. He looks closer to 40.
Years of Arizona and Ottawa will do that to a guy.
Mingus Dew
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Haircut will do that. The jarhead look ages him. Needs the flow back.
I will eat crow on this guy. I called him a 3/4 on a good team but he is playing like a top pairing guy right now. Has been better than Sanderson this year which I would not have thought possible.
Do Make Say Think
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Chalk up another widly overrated dman from Arizona.
OEL, Yandle and now Chychrun. Everybody wanted them but they floundered almost immediately after getting out of Arizona.
OEL, Yandle and now Chychrun. Everybody wanted them but they floundered almost immediately after getting out of Arizona.
Mingus Dew
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Please take me back to when this post was made I liked things much better then.
Sens of Anarchy
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Is there one player on the team who played OK last year who is better this year? I would say not one.
Chychrun Watch Returns This Deadline
There has been some league-wide talk making the rounds lately suggesting Chychrun may not be a fit in the Senators room. Two separate sources have suggested his desire to sign in Ottawa long-term may be in question – he is eligible to sign an extension starting July 1.
I don’t know how much I buy this. I just think he’s not a fit on the ice.
Whatever the reason though, it’s obvious he’ll be moving soon with his name coming up repeatedly. Friedman kind of downplayed it today, saying Ottawa wants to hear what teams think of their players, but with his contract expiring soon and our abundance of LD, I think he’s the odd man out.
Wallet Inspector
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I'd rather not give up on Chychrun yet, especially when
A. We gave up a high first for him.
B. We need to see what the team as a whole looks like with better coaching.
A. We gave up a high first for him.
B. We need to see what the team as a whole looks like with better coaching.
I couldn't disagree more. He's a good player but when he's at his best he is not on par with Sanderson or Chabot when they're playing their best. He's a good top four defenseman with a good shot and offensive prowess. He's not a quarterback and puck distributor like the others. If Chabot cleaned up the egregious turnovers the difference in the two players would be clearer, admittedly.
When Chabot is on his game the other team is spending the majority of their time defending because he has dragged the puck up ice shift after shift. When Chychrun is on his game he's making nice plays at the offensive blue line after someone else brought the puck into the offensive zone.
Chychrun is a better finisher and may directly create offensive himself but Chabot creates the conditions for offense for his team in ways that are not always in counting stats.
Sensinitis
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If it's somehow possible to acquire Weegar + Markstrom from Calgary in a deal centered around Chychryn ++ you have to seriously consider that
I think the difference between Chychrun and Chabot is pretty small personally, they both have their warts. Chabot’s contract likely makes him more difficult to trade and you prob have to take money back, so I’d rather just move Chychrun for what I assume would be a better return.
B. I don’t know that we have that luxury with contract talks needing to begin and ideally be finalized this summer. At this stage, it just doesn’t make sense to lock in a 7+ mil dollar LD.
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Dionysus
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Agreed, I think Chabot and Chychrun are fairly close, slight edge to Chyc. They have overlapping skillsets and neither seem to be able to play the right side effectively.
Need to trade one of them in my opinion. Chabots contract really drags down his value.
Chychrun on the other hand still has a year left and has a low caphit for a contender to fit him in. If the Sens take back some money they should be able to get a really nice return at the deadline.
Clean up another of Dorions ill-advised trades and change the makeup of the defense.
frightenedinmatenum2
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Since he is on their roster, there is nothing stopping them holding talks with his agent regarding his willingness to sign. There is also nothing stopping them from giving a team like Calgary permission to speak with Chychrun prior to both sides calling in a trade.
With that said, Calgary may still prefer a Chychrun/Weegar swap even without talking to Chychrun. Weegar's NTC and term will make him more difficult to trade. If Calgary flips him for Chychrun, they have a more dynamic asset. They can either extend Chychrun, or they can trade him at the draft for a bigger return than Weegar would have gotten.
Despite what Dorion said in the past about Turris and Karlsson, there is nothing in the league rules that prevent management from talking to their own player prior to the date they are eligible to file an extension. If Ottawa allows Calgary to talk to Chychrun, both sides would have a pretty good idea about whether or not an extension would be feasible.
The other option would be a 3-way trade, or a proxy 3-way trade. Ottawa sends Chychrun to a team for a package of assets. Acquiring those assets then enables Ottawa to trade for Weegar.
If Chychrun is not going to extend, acquiring Weegar would be a best-case scenario. It's a shame, because the Senators probably could have had Weegar for cheaper than what they gave up for Chychrun had they traded Florida for him last summer, but you cannot go back in time...yet.
With that said, Calgary may still prefer a Chychrun/Weegar swap even without talking to Chychrun. Weegar's NTC and term will make him more difficult to trade. If Calgary flips him for Chychrun, they have a more dynamic asset. They can either extend Chychrun, or they can trade him at the draft for a bigger return than Weegar would have gotten.
Despite what Dorion said in the past about Turris and Karlsson, there is nothing in the league rules that prevent management from talking to their own player prior to the date they are eligible to file an extension. If Ottawa allows Calgary to talk to Chychrun, both sides would have a pretty good idea about whether or not an extension would be feasible.
The other option would be a 3-way trade, or a proxy 3-way trade. Ottawa sends Chychrun to a team for a package of assets. Acquiring those assets then enables Ottawa to trade for Weegar.
If Chychrun is not going to extend, acquiring Weegar would be a best-case scenario. It's a shame, because the Senators probably could have had Weegar for cheaper than what they gave up for Chychrun had they traded Florida for him last summer, but you cannot go back in time...yet.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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Ya sign me the F up for Weegar. Hell of a player and exactly the type this team needs imo. Would happily swap Chychrun for him.
Sens of Anarchy
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Do we trade him at the draft or this season?
If we can get a hockey trade with a return we like or lets build interest in the player from teams destined to be in the top 10 or close to it.
He'd look great as a Shark or a Hawk.
If we can get a hockey trade with a return we like or lets build interest in the player from teams destined to be in the top 10 or close to it.
He'd look great as a Shark or a Hawk.
frightenedinmatenum2
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The best return would be at the draft with an extension agreed upon for July 1st, but that comes with risk if he doesn't want to sign an extension with the teams that are interested in him. Similar to what happened with Debrincat.
Chychrun is a lot more dynamic as an asset at the trade deadline, because teams could be interested in him as a 1-2 year rental, or as a long-term piece. If a playoff team trades for him at the deadline, they know that short of a career-ending injury, they can flip him in the summer for a 1st round pick. Kind of like when New Jersey acquired Meier who had 2 years of team-control, and there were rumours that if they couldn't re-sign him, they might flip him in the summer.
If they have a good trade lined up at the the TDL, they should probably do it, even if there is a chance that he might go for more at the draft with an extension because Chychrun working with the Senators and extending with his new team is not guaranteed.
I am not sure Chychrun would report to the sharks or the Hawks. I don't believe he would want to be a part of a long term rebuild.
