Player Discussion Jake Sanderson (D) PART 3

[Micklebot]

Sanderson hasn't been great for a while now, he needs to step up his game and be our best Dman.

 

[Alex1234]

I thought Zub comeback would would produce greater results on Jake

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I thought Zub comeback would would produce greater results on Jake

Jake just asked to do way too much.
At 6 million he would be the best contract in the nhl. At 8…gets dicey.

 

[Keli]

I’m not too worried about Sandy, he’s a smart enough player to figure it out soon. Don’t forget he is still very young and he is playing against the top players in the league every game.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Not a single point at even strength so far this year. One of only 4 guys (Perron - 5GP, Zub - 4GP, Hamonic, Sanderson) on the team without an EVP.

 

[Micklebot]

I thought Zub comeback would would produce greater results on Jake

I certainly thought it would help.

He was just ok though. He's -8, worst on the team, I know that's a crappy stat but it still stings.

 

[Senovision]

Jake Sanderson 1.9 shots on goal a game. And 4.5 shot attempts a game.
Thomas Chabot 2.5 and 5.6.
Just for comparison.....The leader in the NHL shot attempts category is Quinn Hughes with a whopping 9.2 attempts a game! That seems outrageous!
He gets 3.8 of those shots on goal each game.

 

[coladin]

You get the feeling that as Jake Sanderson goes, so will the team. And he ain't goin'

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Ya, I'm starting to feel like this guy might be part of the problem. I don't mean that in that he's not better than most, he clearly is, but if this team is expecting him to carry the load offensively, I'm not sure he's that guy. Makes you wonder if bringing in an offensive specialist for the bottom pairing beside Kleven and PP spot duty would make sense.

 

[Micklebot]

You get the feeling that as Jake Sanderson goes, so will the team. And he ain't goin'

Agreed. When he's on his game it looks effortless.

Ya, I'm starting to feel like this guy might be part of the problem. I don't mean that in that he's not better than most, he clearly is, but if this team is expecting him to carry the load offensively, I'm not sure he's that guy. Makes you wonder if bringing in an offensive specialist for the bottom pairing beside Kleven and PP spot duty would make sense.

Chabot and Jensen pairing have been flying, I don't think that's and issue, the problem is he's gone from 2.68 GF/60 when on the ice last year to 1.08 so far this year, that won't last. If he's even at 2.3 GF/60 well below last two years, we're doing much better.

 

[Loach]

Ya, I'm starting to feel like this guy might be part of the problem. I don't mean that in that he's not better than most, he clearly is, but if this team is expecting him to carry the load offensively, I'm not sure he's that guy. Makes you wonder if bringing in an offensive specialist for the bottom pairing beside Kleven and PP spot duty would make sense.

Do you think that's maybe why they had Addwhatever on a PTO?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Chabot and Jensen pairing have been flying, I don't think that's and issue, the problem is he's gone from 2.68 GF/60 when on the ice last year to 1.08 so far this year, that won't last. If he's even at 2.3 GF/60 well below last two years, we're doing much better.

That sounds promising. He's clearly trying, and I like his confidence with the puck, but the last 5 games or so he looks like things aren't working for him and has made some uncharacteristic mistakes.

Do you think that's maybe why they had Addwhatever on a PTO?

Seemed like it to me. I like the idea of a different look from your 6/7 that you rotate, but JBD and Hamonic are both pure defense type guys, or, well, they try to play defense lol.

 

[Emrasie]

Jake Sanderson 1.9 shots on goal a game. And 4.5 shot attempts a game.
Thomas Chabot 2.5 and 5.6.
Just for comparison.....The leader in the NHL shot attempts category is Quinn Hughes with a whopping 9.2 attempts a game! That seems outrageous!
He gets 3.8 of those shots on goal each game.

It's not comparable, Quinn is incredible in the OZone. I watch the Canucks by curiosity to see what EB is doing and.. what a skater QH is! More than that his shot is letal. I would have never thought.
If Jake could do for the Sens half what is QH is doing offensively speaking it would help the team a lot. We are far from that.
Actually nobody among the D men is helping the offense for now and it's worrisome. I hope in the future Yakemchuk could be this guy.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Yeah he's been poor since being stapled to Hamonic and looks like he was still getting used to Zub coming back. Zub has also just been eh last night. Chabot-Jensen look fantastic though.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

He has looked really tentative to do anything offensive outside of the PP, likely the Hamonic effect. Last game there were times he was skating up the ice and dished it early when there was room to skate. Hopefully he will readjust, preseason and first few games he was driving offence.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Yeah he's been poor since being stapled to Hamonic and looks like he was still getting used to Zub coming back. Zub has also just been eh last night. Chabot-Jensen look fantastic though.

People keep saying offense this, offense that... but if Sanderson and Zub go back to being our best pair.... which they easily should.... and Ullmark plays like a top 5 goalie, which is what he is being paid to be and has the resume of for last 3-4 years, then everything else will sort itself out.

 

[BondraTime]

Has been the worst guy on the team relative to expectations the past 3 weeks. Had a Norris caliber start, and has been a detriment to the team while he’s been out over the last 7/8 games.

He needs to produce, and if he isn’t producing he needs to be a rock defensively. The last 3 weeks he’s done neither.

He’s the Sens best player, and they will go as he goes. If he has a poor season, the Sens are having a poor season.

He’ll be back to his normal self soon, but if he keeps playing like he has the last while he’ll be getting the Chabot treatment here shortly.

 

[DueDiligence]

Sanderson hasn't been great for a while now, he needs to step up his game and be our best Dman.

He's been average to good this year. The Sens need him to be really good to great for them to make the playoffs.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

People harping on Sanderson here, and praising Chabot in the other thread just don't seem to get it. Sanderson looked like a Norris contender to start the year, but has struggled a bit after his hot start. Do you think it's a coincidence that he started to drop off as soon as Hamonic became his d partner? Do you think it's a coincidence that Chabot is playing like a demon as soon as he starts to play with Nick Jensen instead of Chychrun or Zaitsev?

It's all in the partner. You can't have an elite defenseman without a very good partner beside him, it just won't happen. Zub is back now, and him and Sanderson are going to take a few games to get back into the rhythm they had to start the year. Not concerned at all.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

People harping on Sanderson here, and praising Chabot in the other thread just don't seem to get it. Sanderson looked like a Norris contender to start the year, but has struggled a bit after his hot start. Do you think it's a coincidence that he started to drop off as soon as Hamonic became his d partner? Do you think it's a coincidence that Chabot is playing like a demon as soon as he starts to play with Nick Jensen instead of Chychrun or Zaitsev?

It's all in the partner. You can't have an elite defenseman without a very good partner beside him, it just won't happen. Zub is back now, and him and Sanderson are going to take a few games to get back into the rhythm they had to start the year. Not concerned at all.

Not sure its harping but .. I am glad Zub is back and that will help Sanderson. Our RD depth and D depth in general gets exposed with a top 4 out.
Hamonic is a 6/7 likely more like a 7 being asked to play top 4 and top pair minutes not a good recipe. It really brought home the poor quality partners Chabot was stuck with while asked to play 30+ minutes a game for so long under Dorion/DJ.. Can we sue these guys for mental anguish?

 

[Micklebot]

People harping on Sanderson here, and praising Chabot in the other thread just don't seem to get it. Sanderson looked like a Norris contender to start the year, but has struggled a bit after his hot start. Do you think it's a coincidence that he started to drop off as soon as Hamonic became his d partner? Do you think it's a coincidence that Chabot is playing like a demon as soon as he starts to play with Nick Jensen instead of Chychrun or Zaitsev?

It's all in the partner. You can't have an elite defenseman without a very good partner beside him, it just won't happen. Zub is back now, and him and Sanderson are going to take a few games to get back into the rhythm they had to start the year. Not concerned at all.

Well, he looked better his first year with Hamonic, and Hamonic has looked at least as good this year as he personally did that year,

As well, he didn't look great with Zub the other night, so it's not like a better partner is a switch that can get flipped.

There's also the eye test, he simply wasn't doing the things he did when he was on his game, at his best he is effortlessly winning 1 on 1 battles (nothing to do with partner), outskating the opposition (nothing to do with his partner), during this stretch I've seen him get beat wide, and he's just not winning those one on ones the way he used to.

It's really easy to pin all the blame on Hamonic, he was over slotted on the top pair, but while partner is part of the equation, no doubt, I think there was more to it than that. Hamonic simply doesn't on his own explain the struggles that pair was having.

 

[Cosmix]

Agreed. When he's on his game it looks effortless.

Chabot and Jensen pairing have been flying, I don't think that's and issue, the problem is he's gone from 2.68 GF/60 when on the ice last year to 1.08 so far this year, that won't last. If he's even at 2.3 GF/60 well below last two years, we're doing much better.

Must also look at the GA/60.

Not sure its harping but .. I am glad Zub is back and that will help Sanderson. Our RD depth and D depth in general gets exposed with a top 4 out.
Hamonic is a 6/7 likely more like a 7 being asked to play top 4 and top pair minutes not a good recipe. It really brought home the poor quality partners Chabot was stuck with while asked to play 30+ minutes a game for so long under Dorion/DJ.. Can we sue these guys for mental anguish?

Whoever played Hamonic in the top 4 needs to have his head examined.

 

[DrEasy]

Well, he looked better his first year with Hamonic, and Hamonic has looked at least as good this year as he personally did that year,

As well, he didn't look great with Zub the other night, so it's not like a better partner is a switch that can get flipped.

There's also the eye test, he simply wasn't doing the things he did when he was on his game, at his best he is effortlessly winning 1 on 1 battles (nothing to do with partner), outskating the opposition (nothing to do with his partner), during this stretch I've seen him get beat wide, and he's just not winning those one on ones the way he used to.

It's really easy to pin all the blame on Hamonic, he was over slotted on the top pair, but while partner is part of the equation, no doubt, I think there was more to it than that. Hamonic simply doesn't on his own explain the struggles that pair was having.

Yeah, he's got to be playing with an injury. Injuries are usually the simplest and most likely explanation for a player's performance dropoff.