Player Discussion Jake Sanderson (D) PART 3

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Again, I will never judge Sanderson for as long as Hamonic is playing with him.

Sanderson is carrying an elephant and still doing a great job--all things considered.

 

[Sting]

The difference between Sanderson alongside Zub and Hamonic is almost like watching two different players. It's wild.

He may have played himself out of a spot on the USA roster with this last stretch too. Completely unfair - but the USA brass have a tough decision to make and a lot of people to fill that spot.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Do all teams have 6 strong/good defenders in their lineup? Or, is it more typical to have a weaker, not so good defender on the 3rd pair on most teams?

I get the appeal of finding a whipping post, but I think we have more than one issue with just one player.

 

[TheNewEra]

Do all teams have 6 strong/good defenders in their lineup? Or, is it more typical to have a weaker, not so good defender on the 3rd pair on most teams?

I get the appeal of finding a whipping post, but I think we have more than one issue with just one player.

most teams usually dont have their best defender play with their worst defender. Even if you consider the hate he is getting to be unreasonable

also the hate he is getting isnt unreasonable. https://www.reddit.com/r/BottomLeftHamonic/

unless the belief is that sanderson suddenly got really bad there is a common factor

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Alledged superstar d man and prime PP we had…38 points last year

And he was playing with zub lol.

He is what he is. Hopefully yakemchuk is an offensive juggernaut

 

[bicboi64]

Only way the Sanderson-Hamonic pairing will work going forwad is if Sandy developed McDavid/MacKinnon level acceleration and can skate from one end of the ice to the other.

Green is killing Sandy here. Put JBD with Sandy.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Again, I will never judge Sanderson for as long as Hamonic is playing with him.

Sanderson is carrying an elephant and still doing a great job--all things considered.

He had zub last year…. And PP1 ….. 38 points

 

[TheNewEra]

Alledged superstar d man and prime PP we had…38 points last year

And he was playing with zub lol.

He is what he is. Hopefully yakemchuk is an offensive juggernaut

i cant tell if your being serious here, second year in the league and he got 38 points

hes on pace for 54 points now

He was never going to be a karlsson type point producer, but 50 point production isnt out of the question for him. For reference only 20 dmen got 50 points last year.

An offensive juggernaut that could play defense is the dream. But as a team we need defense more.

 

[coladin]

Again, I will never judge Sanderson for as long as Hamonic is playing with him.

Sanderson is carrying an elephant and still doing a great job--all things considered.

There were many plays that originated on his side, or in his complete control. or on his own volition, and he was dogshit

 

[HoweHullOrr]

most teams usually dont have their best defender play with their worst defender. Even if you consider the hate he is getting to be unreasonable

also the hate he is getting isnt unreasonable. https://www.reddit.com/r/BottomLeftHamonic/

unless the belief is that sanderson suddenly got really bad there is a common factor

There is an injury that has led to Hamonic being moved up to 1st pair. I was talking about where Hamonic would play in normal circumstances. And, even then, maybe JBD (?) gets more ice time in the future and Hamonic becomes a 7D. This last sentence in this paragraph is a complete “aside” & can be removed without changing the overall point.

I am making the point that most fans don’t like at least one of their defenders and that’s usually/often a 3rd pair defender. So, there is a tendency to key or focus on that one whipping post versus taking a broader overall look at the roster and being more analytical. Using last night as just one example, we scored just one goal. That’s not going to result in many Ws, so there’s lots of other things to talk about.

You seem to have largely (or entirely perhaps) missed the points that I was making. There is much more nuance in what I posted and a very important point was in the 2nd sentence. I am quite aware of Hamonic’s stats, so not sure why there was a need to point out the obvious. Your link didn’t work btw.

Its a sticky wicket with Hamonic. He has a NMC so can’t be waived and sent to the AHL and can’t be traded without his consent. In this injury situation, they could move JBD up, and Hamonic would be 3rd pair, but there’d still be plenty of complaints.

 

[TheNewEra]

There is an injury that has led to Hamonic being moved up to 1st pair. I was talking about where Hamonic would play in normal circumstances. And, even then, maybe JBD (?) gets more ice time in the future and Hamonic becomes a 7D.

I am making the point that most fans don’t like at least one of their defenders and that’s usually/often a 3rd pair defender. So, there is a tendency to key or focus on that one whipping post versus taking a broader overall look at the roster and being more analytical.

You seem to have largely (or entirely perhaps) missed the points that I was making. There is much more nuance in what I posted and a very important point was in the 2nd sentence. I am quite aware of Hamonic’s stats, so not sure why there was a need to point out the obvious. Your link didn’t work btw.

Its a sticky wicket with Hamonic. He has a NMC so can’t be waived and sent to the AHL and can’t be traded without his consent.

The mistakes were happening in normal circumstances and obviously have been amplified with him being on the top pairing and getting more minutes

but it is worth noting that Kleven's play has improved substantially and statistically without Hamonic and Sanderson has gone on the opposite end.

You are calling him a third pairing guy, i am saying he isnt even that. The difference between him and JBD is insane.

There are other issues the team needs to look at but having a consistent negative on the ice for 12 to 20 minutes per game isnt helping anyone.

I agree its a sticky situation with Hamonic (shout out dorion smh) but the right decision is for him to be the 7th/8th dman. The issue i have is this team after training camp said oh he deserves a regular spot. I truly believe the first real test for green is if he actually sits him. At the same time with the age and style that hamonic plays i do think that if he got more rest he might actually do better

*not sure why the link didnt work. Its a reddit forum thats titled bottom left hamonic which was started a week or so into the season which just shows him consistently at the negative end of the impact on game spectrum

 

[HoweHullOrr]

The mistakes were happening in normal circumstances and obviously have been amplified with him being on the top pairing and getting more minutes

but it is worth noting that Kleven's play has improved substantially and statistically without Hamonic and Sanderson has gone on the opposite end.

You are calling him a third pairing guy, i am saying he isnt even that. The difference between him and JBD is insane.

There are other issues the team needs to look at but having a consistent negative on the ice for 12 to 20 minutes per game isnt helping anyone.

I agree its a sticky situation with Hamonic (shout out dorion smh) but the right decision is for him to be the 7th/8th dman. The issue i have is this team after training camp said oh he deserves a regular spot. I truly believe the first real test for green is if he actually sits him. At the same time with the age and style that hamonic plays i do think that if he got more rest he might actually do better

*not sure why the link didnt work. Its a reddit forum thats titled bottom left hamonic which was started a week or so into the season which just shows him consistently at the negative end of the impact on game spectrum

I think you are reading parts of what I wrote, and ignoring other parts. It may not be your intent, but that’s what seems to be happening.

I said: "And, even then, maybe JBD (?) gets more ice time in the future and Hamonic becomes a 7D.” Its in the 1st paragraph. I just used the word “maybe” because I have no idea or control over what Green will do.

I think the whole team stunk last night and it was far more than just one or two players. And, this was a game against a division rival so it should be not hard for the team to get motivated. And, for some reason, we lose a lot when we are on the road.

When Zub gets healthy and returns, I’d be happy if they put JBD with Kleven and Hamonic sits in the pressbox (bench or where ever). Hopefully you can see that my point isn’t really to defend Hamonic. The point is there’s other things we need to improve if we want to make the playoffs. I’m hoping the goal is a divisional seed actually this year, so just barely squeaking into the playoffs as a wildcard I think is still a rather low bar.