McGarnagle
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He scored a lot of goals when the third man on his and Krejci's line would be a revolving door of Cehlariks, Bjorks, etc.
Player Discussion Jake DeBrusk VII
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There is a chart on here that was posted about linemates, go back a few pages and find it. It showed the lines where Jake was on them, had higher scoring opportunities. It also showed the times in which he's been on them, not enough. These are not excuses. These are facts and stats. We have people on here saying he pouts every game, which is categorically false. Monty comes out and says he's been great for them, the scoring will come.
Let's get some consistency for not just Jake, but for all the players to get going and to gel. 1/3 through the season and we still don't have set lines.
CellyHard
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Why do set lines matter?
Looking at our top nine players...Marchand, Pastrnak, Coyle, and Frederic have been on the team for many years and even Heinen previously for that matter. Zacha has been here for over a year now. Debrusk should be able to mesh with these guys and score. There is just no excuse for it.
Investing in someone who requires set line mates to score is unwise. All it takes is an injury, retirement (see Bergeron), getting priced out in FA and all of a sudden he isn't worth his own. That isn't someone you want to make a core player.
I think it isn't unreasonable to expect set lines halfway through the season.
He lost his center in Bergy. He had chemistry with Zacha when played with him. Let's get him with a center, build chemistry and see where it goes. The constant shuffling of the lines isn't helping Jake or the others which is why our 5x5 play isn't that great atm
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I think the two main currents here are not mutually exclusive and can both be true at the same time:
1. The line shuffling and lack of chemistry is tangibly affecting Jake's results and causing some underperformance
2. Regardless of who he's playing with, he should have more than 4 damn goals this far into the season
If Jim had committed to a Marchand-Coyle-Debrusk line and stuck with it constantly from game 1 to game 29, Jake would be doing better, but still instead of 4/7/11 he might be at like 7/12/19 which is still only a 20 goal/50 point pace.
1. The line shuffling and lack of chemistry is tangibly affecting Jake's results and causing some underperformance
2. Regardless of who he's playing with, he should have more than 4 damn goals this far into the season
If Jim had committed to a Marchand-Coyle-Debrusk line and stuck with it constantly from game 1 to game 29, Jake would be doing better, but still instead of 4/7/11 he might be at like 7/12/19 which is still only a 20 goal/50 point pace.
I like Jake as a person and when he's on his game, he's a valuable contributor to the Bruins. I thought he had turned the corner last season and expected great things this year. His "details" and defensive play have improved, as noted by others.
DeBrusk is a sensitive kid, and although he's been through scoring droughts before and fan criticism, it's got to be a major drag to have this happen in a contract year.
I feel bad for him and would certainly understand if he wanted a fresh start. Boston isn't Toronto or Montreal, but Bruins fan(atic)s are demanding and not always charitable.
I guess we'll see how things play out. I wish Jake nothing but the best regardless.
Spot on. Jake's a guy who seems to like some continuity in his game and his linemates. He does better when he develops good chemistry and experience with players he gels with, and tends to struggle when he's chopping and changing around the lineup. Whether or not that should affect him, or it diminishes his value, is rather besides the point. The fact is that it does.
So want to do? Much as I would like Monty to calm down a bit with the lines, it seems unlikely to happen. There is almost a manic quality to the way he operates in that regard. So DeBrusk's either going to have to learn to deal with it and find a way to produce more consistently in this environment, or the Bruins need to accept that he's not going to thrive as long as the current methods are in place and trade him elsewhere. I'm leaning more heavily towards the latter at the moment. The return may not be great, but this might be a case where something is better than nothing.
Jake's a good kid, but he has a rather small operating window. Right now he's on the outside of it looking in. It may be best for both he and the Bruins if he goes looking for it somewhere else.
CharasLazyWrister
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So do you think Jake is putting in a good, consistent effort out there? What does your eye test say?
I see a guy who barely looks interested at all.
It’d be one thing if he just couldn’t find chemistry. That’s not what I see at all though. Do you see effort that I don’t?
Some shifts he looks good...some he seems to be floating around.
I hope he gets going (on the scoreboard) soon. I am sure he does too. Everyone would be happy for him.
This excuse of rotating line mates is lame. If he was the only one being moved around it would be different but with players out it will happen, and all players need to play through it. Also, the coach is trying to see who works best together.
I will be pissed if the Bs offer him more than 4
I'll let Monty answer that question
Points aren’t there, but Jake DeBrusk contributing in many other ways - The Boston Globe
The winger may not be showing up on the scoresheet with regularity, but he is showing up just about everywhere else.www.bostonglobe.com
ELMONT, N.Y. — Jake DeBrusk may not be showing up on the scoresheet with the regularity the Bruins are accustomed to, but the winger is showing up just about everywhere else.
Whether it’s even strength, killing penalties, or on the power play, DeBrusk continues to produce quality minutes. It’s just the points that have been missing a third of the way into the season.
Heading into Friday night’s game against the Islanders at USB Arena, DeBrusk was averaging 13:40 minutes of even-strength ice time and 1:58 of shorthanded time — both are third best among Boston’s forwards. He also mans a net-front presence on Boston’s top power-play unit.
DeBrusk got even more ice time in the Bruins’ 5-4 shootout win on the Island, logging 17:49, and then getting denied by Ilya Sorokin in the shootout.
“Well, I feel like he’s contributing for us and to the success we’ve had, and I’ve asked a lot of him. I’ve put him in situations where he has been maybe in a more defensive role, which I’m sure has hurt his numbers, but he does a lot of good things,” coach Jim Montgomery said following the club’s morning skate. “He helps our penalty kill. He’s on our power play, [and] 5-on-5. I [think] his second and third effort and tenacity on the puck is coming back to the levels that we saw regularly last year.”
“You just try to do your best and try to impact the game in any way you can,” he said. “And obviously I’m used to producing and it’s going to come.
“It’s a long season left, so it’ll be nice when things turn around, but it’s pretty easy to focus when there’s different tasks at hand. You’re going up against, whether it’s on the PK, [the opponents’] top power-play units or on power play trying to pitch in.”
Montgomery checks in with DeBrusk often to remind his winger that numbers don’t paint the whole picture, but the coach is aware that players can get down in the dumps when the puck luck isn’t there.
“The frustration’s natural, right? I mean, he’s used to producing. He’s used to producing at a higher level and he’s produced this year. And we just know that if his habits and details continue to trend in the direction they are, that the results are going to come,” said the coach. “He’s too talented a hockey player.”
It’s a big season for DeBrusk, who is scheduled to become a free agent following the Stanley Cup final when his two-year, $8 million extension expires.
While acknowledging the future is something everyone thinks about, DeBrusk maintains he hasn’t let thoughts about his next pay day creep into his head and affect his play.
“Yeah, I mean obviously I don’t really have anything to think about in a good term on [my contract status], so I haven’t changed my mind-set on it,” he said. “It’s one of those things where I’m just trying to find my game and get some production consistently.”
I think the effort is there. Sure, there are games where the effort looks lacking at times, but I can say that about a lot of players on the team. Everyone has those games.
I think overall, he's been good, just not putting up goals. Getting consistent linemates that don't change for a few games could help. I too, want to see more.
Modern day Michael Ryder.
Interpret as you will.
Interpret as you will.
They don’t matter. It is just one of the many excuses some use to deflect from the fact that he’s not pulling his weight and his consistent effort has disappeared.
At this point in his career, he should know how to adapt to changes and should be able to drive a line. Enough with the excuses as well.
He’s a follower not a leader.
BradMarchandismydad
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I think you sign him on a lowball contract and laugh that you got a great (but inconsistent) two way player for cheap and for years to come.
I like his playoff game too.
His numbers are down because he’s playing with Coyle, who many wingers have seen diminished production with, and Poitras, who is young.
You bring in a true 1/2C level playmaker and you see his production shoot up IMO. Until then he will produce .5 ppg
I like his playoff game too.
His numbers are down because he’s playing with Coyle, who many wingers have seen diminished production with, and Poitras, who is young.
You bring in a true 1/2C level playmaker and you see his production shoot up IMO. Until then he will produce .5 ppg
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All I ask is he better not be our "own rental" this year and lose him for nothing in the off season
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any members of the 7x7 club remaining and willing to wave that flag publicly?
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If there are any of those flags still around I have a can of lighter fluid and a match.
I'm shitty at projecting these things. Does anyone have a realistic best case/worst case scenario for a return on Jake at TDL? Like others, I would hate to lose him for nothing. But if he or is agent are even thinking of 7's, we need to trade him.
Really? I figured you'd give him 5. I might give him five on a short contract (two or three years).
The market may well give him 6.5 or even 7, with longer term. If teams are willing to give you that, you have to seriously consider it. The Bruin will not be one of those teams.
I don't know what will happen, but given the situation, I think Jake will be moved. That may be best for all concerned.
I have no say in the matter. He is so inconsistent. He played well with Brad and Bergy but who wouldn't? When everyone is well maybe some lines can be established. I believe that would help everyone. I am sure he is frustrated as are most of the fans. If/when he gets it going, I will be on my feet cheering for him.
I hope they do what is best for the team.
I still have hope that Jake will start scoring. I know all his teammates would be pleased for him as will the fans. He seems like a good kid.
Without making excuses, I think you're right. That's probably what he needs.
Even if the return is modest, Sweeney will not let DeBrusk go for nothing. I criticize him, but he's not stupid.
Ludwig Fell Down
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My interpretation: If the B's trade JDB to the Habs, he'll score 8 goals a season against the Bruins.
quietbruinfan
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I am all for set lines as chemistry is important and sometimes develops unexpectedly between players. That is not the way Monty operates however. (Cassidy did not operate that way before him.) This team lacks talented depth up front, so the line juggling will continue. It has to continue.
Jake needs to show more consistent effort and improve his skillset, period. As others have said, it is no coincidence that he developed chemistry with exactly one center, Bergeron. He did alright with Krejci at times but not consistently. IMO that is because he has too many holes in his game, and needs a center who is good at almost everything.
I am quite sure the team will come nowhere near Jake's asking price. It is best to move him and get what you can. I would put him on a line with Zacha, when Zacha returns, and hope for a hot streak to raise his value.
Jake needs to show more consistent effort and improve his skillset, period. As others have said, it is no coincidence that he developed chemistry with exactly one center, Bergeron. He did alright with Krejci at times but not consistently. IMO that is because he has too many holes in his game, and needs a center who is good at almost everything.
I am quite sure the team will come nowhere near Jake's asking price. It is best to move him and get what you can. I would put him on a line with Zacha, when Zacha returns, and hope for a hot streak to raise his value.
If they get a decent player or pick in return that should not matter. One has to trust their evaluation no matter what. I am a strong believer that players don't change. Their role suits them better on some teams than others, but they are generally the same mix of strengths and weaknesses. Ps Jake would get eaten alive in Montreal.
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