Player Discussion Jacob Trouba

[LORDE]

All I'm saying is, no one here knows shit. No one really knows if his agent his calling other teams telling them he won't report (I don't believe that). What I do believe is that there are very few teams who could a) afford his contract and b) want the player. This is the reality and what Drury is up against. Everything else is just noise. I'd like to see him wearing a different uniform next season but if not, I'm not gonna act like a f***head and take personal shots at him or his wife based on pure rumors.

He can't be back. That would be REALLY awful for him, the locker room, the fanbase, the org

There's no way you can have him back... especially wearing the C

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

He can't be back. That would be REALLY awful for him, the locker room, the fanbase, the org

There's no way you can have him back... especially wearing the C

The players love him. It would probably be worse if he weren't there. And most fans aren't HF fans. They're on vacation, chilling, stuffing hotdogs and High Noons down their gullets living la vida loco.

 

[McRanger92]

The thing is, the guys on the team love him. And they haven't lost thier ability to upgrade. It's July freaking 2nd.

I dont really care what the guys on the team think anymore. I respect the players more who will silently resent him for hurting their chances of winning a Stanley Cup. And sure they can still improve but only incrementally.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

My only question on this is whether trade compensation can be made conditional on whether he reports.

Say a team offers a 3rd rounder on the condition he reports - that third should revert back to them if not. Not sure what limits the CBA places on conditional picks.

 

[Chaels Arms]

The whole reason Trouba even has this power over the Rangers is because the talks with Detroit leaked. You can say it was Trouba or Overhardt who leaked it but even that doesn't absolve the Rangers of blame. Why are they talking to Trouba about a trade that hasn't been concluded yet, especially with this new version of Darth Drury who supposedly doesn't care about feelings? When a team trades a 4th line scrub do you think the GMs consult with them about it ahead of time? Of course not. They find out when the trade is done. Lots of players have talked about getting that phone call on Spittin Chiclets and other hockey podcasts.

Drury blew this. He has Trouba's lists. Like someone else said earlier, it should be standard operating procedure for the organization to always have every player's NMC and NTC on hand at all times. Complete the trade then let Trouba's agent know it's done. Now the ball is in his court. You don't want to report? OK, cool, sort that out with your new team. The trade is done and registered with the NHL already.

Typical incompetence from the Rangers.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

The whole reason Trouba even has this power over the Rangers is because the talks with Detroit leaked. You can say it was Trouba or Overhardt who leaked it but even that doesn't absolve the Rangers of blame. Why are they talking to Trouba about a trade that hasn't been concluded yet, especially with this new version of Darth Drury who supposedly doesn't care about feelings? When a team trades a 4th line scrub do you think the GMs consult with them about it ahead of time? Of course not. They find out when the trade is done. Lots of players have talked about getting that phone call on Spittin Chiclets and other hockey podcasts.

Drury blew this. He has Trouba's lists. Like someone else said earlier, it should be standard operating procedure for the organization to always have every player's NMC and NTC on hand at all times. Complete the trade then let Trouba's agent know it's done. Now the ball is in his court. You don't want to report? OK, cool, sort that out with your new team. The trade is done and registered with the NHL already.

Typical incompetence from the Rangers.

At this point, we don't know who blew what, who leaked what to whom, etc. I believe NTC lists are submitted after June 30th as standard operating procedure since I believe they can generally change from time to time.

The main incompetence issue is giving him the terms we did in his deal. I'm generally against NMCs/NTCs for this exact reason. I'd only give them as a last resort.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I dont really care what the guys on the team think anymore. I respect the players more who will silently resent him for hurting their chances of winning a Stanley Cup. And sure they can still improve but only incrementally.

Again, what we see as hurting their chances, they might not. I will bet $1000 that to a man, they're way more pissed about how Goodrow was treated than Trouba being on the team next season. I want the dude gone but if he plays a 3rd pair role next to Jones with PK time, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. His contract has no bearing on this team resigning Laff, Igor or Miller next season and has a minimal effect on them bringing in players at the deadline. It's not ideal but it's not the end of the world. And to be frank, Trouba doesn't matter if Panarin and Zib go comatose in the playoffs next year. That's a bigger concern than Trouba on the 3rd pair.

 

[SA16]

I don't think not being able to sign anyone yesterday should be the reason we keep him. We can still upgrade.

Lindgren + Kakko for Theodore
Sign Schultz
Sign Sprong

Kreider Mika Smith
Panarin Trocheck Laf
Cuylle Chytil Sprong
Vesey Carrick Edstrom/Rempe

Miller Fox
Theodore Schneider
Jones Schultz

Accrue more cap space, control of all future 1sts, Berard/Othmann/Perreault/Sykora on the way.

There is no reason to do that unless you already have another trade, such as your Theodore example, agreed to and worked out.

Also there is zero chance they would have a defense with Theodore, Jones, and Schultz. That's three guys who don't PK.

 

[NickyFotiu]

if he wants to stay here so bad why doesn't he captain this team to a stanley cup? This is a man using every trick in the book to stay where he is, so does he continue sulking or is he so pissed off at Drury and all the noise that he actually improves himself and puts forth the effort this upcoming season? Am I being hopelessly optimistic here?

Often a player does not want to be where he is not wanted. I'm not going to bash a guy for wanting to be a NY Ranger. I'm pretty sure he would like to win a cup for us so I will assume your question was not serious.

 

[Chaels Arms]

Show me where in the CBA it says he has to say up front he will report.

You do know that his contract can be flat-out terminated if he doesn't, yes? He'd be forfeiting the next two years of salary. So his actions also have consequences. It's almost like this is a two-way street or something! We can also bury him in Hartford and essentially end his NHL career if need be.

Exactly. People keep on missing out on this. This thing went sideways because the Rangers bungled it. Either they broached the trade talks to Trouba before they were complete (which is probably a nice courtesy but also not the most intelligent thing as we can see now) and didn't get the reaction they expected or the talks just leaked which also doesn't speak well for the organization.

Complete the trade first. Put the onus on him to breach his contract.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Hockey Player’s Contract Terminated for “Material Breach” | MCBOP Lawyers Victoria, BC

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We have all kinds of recourse if Trouba refuses to report, etc. So would any other team. This whole nonsense on the refusal to report stuff just shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how league contracts work, I guess.

 

[Mac n Gs]

All of the other stuff aside, the one thing I don't get is why people are saying that this will negatively impact the locker room when it's clear that whichever players spoke to Vince mentioned being upset about how the Goodrow and Trouba situations were handled. His teammates value him and want him here. This type of stuff happens in other sports too and is a non-issue. Seems similar enough to a situation where a player holds out for more money on a contract. Stepan did it, and it had no effect at all on the locker room.

It's fans that want Trouba gone.

 

[McRanger92]

Again, what we see as hurting their chances, they might not. I will bet $1000 that to a man, they're way more pissed about how Goodrow was treated than Trouba being on the team next season. I want the dude gone but if he plays a 3rd pair role next to Jones with PK time, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. His contract has no bearing on this team resigning Laff, Igor or Miller next season and has a minimal effect on them bringing in players at the deadline. It's not ideal but it's not the end of the world. And to be frank, Trouba doesn't matter if Panarin and Zib go comatose in the playoffs next year. That's a bigger concern than Trouba on the 3rd pair.

The core is a bunch of guys who wilt in the playoffs and are OK with losing as long as the check clears. What's happened since the season end has made this clear as day. What is so special about goodrow or trouba that the team is "upset" about how they were treated. is Victor hedman "upset" that Steven Stamkos got the boot?

This core has never won a thing, and I was into giving them another shot, but there's a country club here. Time to start pushing them out.

 

[NickyFotiu]

This is something I've read on here for over 15 years now, no joke.

And Trouba certainly didn't help in that regard.

I love me some aggressiveness, but Trouba's aggressions are usually just f***ing boneheaded.

Both Staal and McD were tough in front of our net. So was Klein. Florida gave all our forwards welts in front of their net. It matters.

 

[Kane One]

How is telling teams that he won’t report not already grounds for a suspension?

 

[NickyFotiu]

Soft wasn't the issue in the playoffs. The issue was 100% being unable to carry the puck out of the defensive zone.

Softness had a large part in us not being able to get out of our zone imo.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

How is telling teams that he won’t report not already grounds for a suspension?

It actually may be, frankly. And if that's the case? The Rangers can attempt to terminate his contract via Paragraph 12 of his SPC. That's for the Rangers and league attorneys to decide if they wish to go that route.

People (to avoid confusion, lol, I'm not lumping you in that "people.") need to take the time to actually think sometimes before they open their f***ing mouths on here.

 

[Brief Candle]

The thing we have to keep in mind with Trouba, is that it's always f***ing something with him.

Needed playing time assurances to sign the ELC with the Jets

Contentious negotiations and a holdout after that because everyone and their mother knew he wanted to be back in the US

He and Overhardt strafed Gorton in the negotiations because Gorts blew all his bargaining power trading a first and a controllable asset at the same position for a guy who was a 2nd pair D on his best day even then.

Now he can't be traded because he's telegraphed to every team he's a poisoned asset until his wife finishes school.

The sympathy card is played out.

So you lack sympathy for a human trying to secure a guarantee from a corporation who would love nothing more than to wrest every last drop of sweat from him before tossing his thoroughly used carcass on the side of the road? Gotcha.

The Rangers knew what they were buying. They've known all along that his family life was

It has nothing to do with her being a woman. If my spouse had an 8 year 56 million dollar contract I would not choose to work.

Glad you can make that choice for them.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

The core is a bunch of guys who wilt in the playoffs and are OK with losing as long as the check clears. What's happened since the season end has made this clear as day. What is so special about goodrow or trouba that the team is "upset" about how they were treated. is Victor hedman "upset" that Steven Stamkos got the boot?

This core has never won a thing, and I was into giving them another shot, but there's a country club here. Time to start pushing them out.

I think it's silly to say this team is ok with losing or there's a country club mentality. No one knows what goes on in the room. I haven't heard one word from a respectable source that these guys aren't serious about winning. You think Kreider, Trocheck, Laff, Igor, Lindgren and the list goes on and on don't give a shit and don't want to win? They made it to the ECF finals two out of three years. Only one team wins, is every other lockerroom a country club? I'm not justifying keeping him, I hope he's gone, but there's so much wild speculation in this thread it's absurd.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

How is telling teams that he won’t report not already grounds for a suspension?

Because it's probably bullshit and didn't happen. A player and an agent can derail a trade just by putting a smart list together. But if it did, f*** him and send his ass to Hartford.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Hockey Player’s Contract Terminated for “Material Breach” | MCBOP Lawyers Victoria, BC

www.mcbop.com

We have all kinds of recourse if Trouba refuses to report, etc. So would any other team. This whole nonsense on the refusal to report stuff just shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how league contracts work, I guess.

Yes the acquiring team has tons of options if he actually refuses to report. The issue is the threat alone is probably enough to get them to throw their hands up at the situation and never trade for Trouba to begin with.

I struggle to see the NYR sending him to Hartford. This whole deal was more about wanting the cap space. Not actually thinking Trouba is bad. Now 7/1 has come and gone. We are more likely to see Trouba on the 2nd pairing than in Hartford IMO.

 

[McRanger92]

So you lack sympathy for a human trying to secure a guarantee from a corporation who would love nothing more than to wrest every last drop of sweat from him before tossing his thoroughly used carcass on the side of the road? Gotcha.

The Rangers knew what they were buying. They've known all along that his family life was

Glad you can make that choice for them.

Spare me the dramatics Occupy Wall Street. The Rangers organization has provided more happiness to my life than the Trouba family. Trouba can mop up the the "last drop of sweat" with the 56 million dollars he's earned from the Rangers after the team he captains falls short in the playoffs again. he's not being sent to the Eastern Front.

it's not personal, the guy just stinks when it matters.

I think it's silly to say this team is ok with losing or there's a country club mentality. No one knows what goes on in the room. I haven't heard one word from a respectable source that these guys aren't serious about winning. You think Kreider, Trocheck, Laff, Igor, Lindgren and the list goes on and on don't give a shit and don't want to win? They made it to the ECF finals two out of three years. Only one team wins, is every other lockerroom a country club? I'm not justifying keeping him, I hope he's gone, but there's so much wild speculation in this thread it's absurd.

Lundqvist Rangers did this too. The only constant is that we are still Cupless. These guys arent special. they shouldnt get special treatment. We bought out Henrik for God's sake.

 

[NickyFotiu]

How is telling teams that he won’t report not already grounds for a suspension?

Any evidence that this actually happened?

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Collective Bargaining Agreement

The CBA between the NHLPA and the NHL sets out the terms and conditions of employment for all professional hockey players playing in the NHL, as well as the res

www.nhlpa.com

Since I like to provide receipts, here's the link to the CBA which, in turn, has the SPC attached to it as exhibit 1. You can see directly in the SPC that a contract can be terminated for (though it's Paragraph 14, now, not 12 anymore):

14. The Club may also terminate this SPC upon written notice to the Player (but only after obtaining Waivers from all other Clubs) if the Player shall at any time:​

(a) fail, refuse, or neglect to obey the Club's rules governing training and conduct of Players, if such failure, refusal or neglect should constitute a material breach of this SPC.​

(b) fail, refuse or neglect to render his services hereunder or in any other manner materially breach this SPC.​

In the event of termination under Paragraph 14(a) or (b) the Player shall only be entitle to compensation due to him to the earlier of the date such notice is personally delivered to him or the date such notice is e-mailed to him.​

14(b) is our right to terminate him for failure to report (and that right would extend to any other acquiring team).

 

[JohnC]

Becoming a neurosurgeon is way more admirable than playing a kid's game for the entertainment of some chuds.