Player Discussion Jacob Trouba

[Leonardo87]

I think we are taking the Trouba hate to another level. It’s one thing to criticize his play , but I feel bringing his wife and his personal reasonings to stay in NY are more personal attacks towards the player and have nothing to do with his play or the team.

I’m not going to say stop but just tread lightly. It’s heading into the direction of being a personal witch hunt against him, and nothing to do with the game itself.

This place isn’t Twitter/X or Reddit where there are little to no boundaries.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

"Sabotage legitimate trades"? I mean I want Trouba out of the squad, but he is exercising his rights that are written into his contract. No different than what Drury did by putting Goodrow into the waivers.

False. Again, read the Brooks article. He's saying he wouldn't accept a legitimate trade as per his contract:

There is not one team that wants to get wrapped up in a mess like that. This includes waiver wire as well. He's basically made an environment where the Rangers cannot trade him, even if it's well within their rights. Seems like dangerous precedent to me.

 

[QJL]

He's not making up a narrative. Read the Brooks article, it's pretty difficult to come to any other conclusion.

Wife’s hospital residency among factors keeping Jacob Trouba with Rangers

The captain of the New York Rangers is Jacob Trouba and may very well remain so for the foreseeable future.

nypost.com

Specifically:

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I see the quote. I see what Brooks is implying. I also see that it’s hyperbole and not rooted in any fact. If that’s the only conclusion you can reach, I’m not sure what to tell you.

Big glaring difference between “there is no guarantee he would accept a trade” vs. “it’s believed/known that he would not accept a trade”

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I see the quote. I see what Brooks is implying. I also see that it’s hyperbole and not rooted in any fact. If that’s the only conclusion you can reach, I’m not sure what to tell you.

Follow the fact pattern - there was a deal on the table, it didn't get finalized, brooks comes back and says he isn't guaranteed to "accept" a trade even if its within the bounds of the contract.

 

[hardnosed]

"Sabotage legitimate trades"? I mean I want Trouba out of the squad, but he is exercising his rights that are written into his contract. No different than what Drury did by putting Goodrow into the waivers.

No. If he says no to a team on his list, sure it's his right. But if he refuses to go to a team not on his list and lets everyone know that will be the case beforehand, then no, that's not ok.

 

[QJL]

Follow the fact pattern - there was a deal on the table, it didn't get finalized, brooks comes back and says he isn't guaranteed to "accept" a trade even if its within the bounds of the contract.

From the same article:

The anticipated trade to Detroit did not materialize after No. 8 handed in his 15-team no-trade list to GM Chris Drury as due on Monday. Sources now report that the deal as depicted in this space on Saturday with the Blueshirts retaining $2.5 million of Trouba’s annual $8M cap charge the next two years was not on the table. We are told that the suggestion Trouba rejected the deal is not true.

 

[Graves94]

False. Again, read the Brooks article. He's saying he wouldn't accept a legitimate trade as per his contract:

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There is not one team that wants to get wrapped up in a mess like that. This includes waiver wire as well. He's basically made an environment where the Rangers cannot trade him, even if it's well within their rights. Seems like dangerous precedent to me.

Well, If he's put on waivers and is picked up by another team, disgruntled or not, he needs to report and play. If he doesn't report, he will be suspended and not paid, he can stay in Manhattan and paint all day.
If he's put on waivers and nom one picks him up, the Rangers can demote him to AHL Hartford. If he doesn't show up to play in Hartford, he'll be suspended and not paid, he can stay in Manhatttan and paint all day and probably baby sit as well.
That's all within the player's rights and also the club's.

 

[UnSandvich]

I keep seeing people saying that Trouba should accept a trade, or a mutual contract termination, or do something else to help the team, but like, why should he?

He’s making 8m here as the captain of the team. His wife’s residency is 1 more year here. He’s got a baby iirc. Exactly what incentive does he have to play anywhere else? If the team buys him out he can just sign for cheap with the Islanders or Devils to stay in the are

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

From the same article:

The anticipated trade to Detroit did not materialize after No. 8 handed in his 15-team no-trade list to GM Chris Drury as due on Monday. Sources now report that the deal as depicted in this space on Saturday with the Blueshirts retaining $2.5 million of Trouba’s annual $8M cap charge the next two years was not on the table. We are told that the suggestion Trouba rejected the deal is not true.

That's fair - to your point if there was in fact no deal ever on the table, then Brooks really did Trouba a disservice in this process. That said - to me it reads like Trouba is outwardly letting the league know that he is willing to sit out vs report and that leaving NYC is a real problem. Obviously puts some baggage out there that makes it less likely for teams to get involved.

 

[LOFIN]

I keep seeing people saying that Trouba should accept a trade, or a mutual contract termination, or do something else to help the team, but like, why should he?

He’s making 8m here as the captain of the team. His wife’s residency is 1 more year here. He’s got a baby iirc. Exactly what incentive does he have to play anywhere else? If the team buys him out he can just sign for cheap with the Islanders or Devils to stay in the are

Trouba doesn't have to help the team, but it would be in his best interest if he wants to continue getting paid. Unless Drury gives up this easily and just accepts Trouba will be back in locker room come training camp.

If Trouba puts it out there that he will not report anywhere, trade or waiver pickup, and the Rangers still want to get rid of him, you just reasign him to Hartford. Either he goes there, which I doubt if he has said he refuses to report to any NHL team, or he gets suspended without pay and the Rangers are cleared from his caphit. Rangers do have the measures to force Trouba's hand. And while I said earlier that I don't really care how the locker room perceives the situation, let's hope it won't get that ugly.

 

[Bruner4329]

So if Trouba remains on the Rangers this season will he get shit on worse than Dan Girardi and Marc Staal ever were shit on by the Rangers social media fanbase?

As opposed to what they have been saying for the last 2 years. There are posters on this board who have s--t on basically everyone on this team relentlessly even when they have been productive. Perfect example is Kreider. The guy has scored 127 goals the last 3 years and people have wanted to dump him since forever. Thing is if Gretzky had spent his peak years here there would have been some who would have s--t on him on this board.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I keep seeing people saying that Trouba should accept a trade, or a mutual contract termination, or do something else to help the team, but like, why should he?

He’s making 8m here as the captain of the team. His wife’s residency is 1 more year here. He’s got a baby iirc. Exactly what incentive does he have to play anywhere else? If the team buys him out he can just sign for cheap with the Islanders or Devils to stay in the are

I think it's more the point that he now has a 15 team no trade list - but he's basically poisoned the well across the entire league(including teams that are "acceptable" as per his no trade list), by saying he is not going to report regardless of it being a legitimate destination. Teams wont be interested in taking on the baggage.

The point is that he has a contract, with terms he's agreed to. Now he's going back door(through agent of course), to find a way out of the terms he's agreed to, to get what he wants. It's not about it being a favor to the team. What he's done is as good as circumventing his contract.

 

[SA16]

As opposed to what they have been saying for the last 2 years. There are posters on this board who have s--t on basically everyone on this team relentlessly even when they have been productive. Perfect example is Kreider. The guy has scored 127 goals the last 3 years and people have wanted to dump him since forever. Thing is if Gretzky had spent his peak years here there would have been some who would have s--t on him on this board.

Well, yea, Gretzky only won on stacked Oilers teams. He was a bit too soft and slow to take teams over the top by himself in the playoffs.

 

[QJL]

That's fair - to your point if there was in fact no deal ever on the table, then Brooks really did Trouba a disservice in this process. That said - to me it reads like Trouba is outwardly letting the league know that he is willing to sit out vs report and that leaving NYC is a real problem. Obviously puts some baggage out there that makes it less likely for teams to get involved.

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I see your side and you see mine. There is grey area here and that’s why I don’t think it’s fair to be furious with Trouba. I think teams are likely to look elsewhere because movement is not an ideal situation for him. I wouldn’t seek alternatives before trading for a questionable contract (even at 5.5M) that comes with personal layers.

 

[bigdog16]

Regardless of what transpires, I am awfully excited for the first Trouba - Brooks interview of the season.

 

[ThePeoplesPeople]

Hate to stray too far from hockey talk, but Trouba is a professional athlete on the road 100+ nights a year. His wife is doing a residency. Someone(s) else is helping out a TON to raise that child. They can hopefully continue to help while he is in another city for 1 year while she finishes the residency. Or, they can all move - it's not unheard of.

I understand it's a lot to navigate and none of us would want to deal with this type of situation. But we don't make $8 million a year, and we aren't in the business of sports. He is. This needs to be finished.

 

[LOFIN]

I understand it's a lot to navigate and none of us would want to deal with this type of situation. But we don't make $8 million a year, and we aren't in the business of sports. He is. This needs to be finished.

Elliotte Friedman loves to quote Godfather 2 in 32 thoughts, he did so regarding the Goodrow situation, and it's appropriate here as well:

 

[mas0764]

I think it's more the point that he now has a 15 team no trade list - but he's basically poisoned the well across the entire league(including teams that are "acceptable" as per his no trade list), by saying he is not going to report regardless of it being a legitimate destination. Teams wont be interested in taking on the baggage.

The point is that he has a contract, with terms he's agreed to. Now he's going back door(through agent of course), to find a way out of the terms he's agreed to, to get what he wants. It's not about it being a favor to the team. What he's done is as good as circumventing his contract.

If this is what he has in fact done, yeah, I f***ing bury him in Hartford.

I don't care about the optics.

Enjoy minor league hockey, Jake.

 

[Brief Candle]

This is all pretty funny. I sure as hell don't want to see Trouba on this team anymore, but the second real, human issues crop up, it's like most of you turn into would-be head office management scum. lol

It's management's fault for giving him such an insane contract. It's NOT his fault for considering his wife's career. Unless you're in or near that world, you have NO idea what his wife would have to go through to leave her current program. work and complete her residency in another state. It's EXTREMELY difficult to do, and virtually no one does it for this very reason. Residents suffer HORRIBLE conditions in some places akin to literal mental torture in order to just finish where they started and be done with it. Trust me when I tell you, him refusing to move to a team far away isn't "sabotage".

Do the guy right, offer to buy him out, and expect to see him on a local rival next year.

 

[ThePeoplesPeople]

Elliotte Friedman loves to quote Godfather 2 in 32 thoughts, he did so regarding the Goodrow situation, and it's appropriate here as well:

Right. And it's been discussed ad nauseam, but it's true. He signed for $8 mil a year and a 15 team NTC. He probably could have gotten a full no trade for the entire duration of the contract if he signed for $6.5-$7 mil. He didn't. He got as much money as he could, and now he needs to live with it.

This is all pretty funny. I sure as hell don't want to see Trouba on this team anymore, but the second real, human issues crop up, it's like most of you turn into would-be head office management scum. lol

It's management's fault for giving him such an insane contract. It's NOT his fault for considering his wife's career. Unless you're in or near that world, you have NO idea what his wife would have to go through to leave her current program. work and complete her residency in another state. It's EXTREMELY difficult to do, and virtually no one does it for this very reason. Residents suffer HORRIBLE conditions in some places akin to literal mental torture in order to just finish where they started and be done with it. Trust me when I tell you, him refusing to move to a team far away isn't "sabotage".

Do the guy right, offer to buy him out, and expect to see him on a local rival next year.

I am totally fine with this. But we should be trying to trade him to NYI or Philly for something before buying him out.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

This is all pretty funny. I sure as hell don't want to see Trouba on this team anymore, but the second real, human issues crop up, it's like most of you turn into would-be head office management scum. lol

It's management's fault for giving him such an insane contract. It's NOT his fault for considering his wife's career. Unless you're in or near that world, you have NO idea what his wife would have to go through to leave her current program. work and complete her residency in another state. It's EXTREMELY difficult to do, and virtually no one does it for this very reason. Residents suffer HORRIBLE conditions in some places akin to literal mental torture in order to just finish where they started and be done with it. Trust me when I tell you, him refusing to move to a team far away isn't "sabotage".

Do the guy right, offer to buy him out, and expect to see him on a local rival next year.

To be fair - he could forego the remainder of his contract and give up $16M to stay in NYC. He wants his money too. It's not just the personal issues, which are more than understandable. He's trying to get his money and do what he wants regardless of what terms he's agreed to on his deal. Again - to caveat, this is based on what Brooks implies so to the extent he's wrong or off base, that's a whole different story.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

This is all pretty funny. I sure as hell don't want to see Trouba on this team anymore, but the second real, human issues crop up, it's like most of you turn into would-be head office management scum. lol

It's management's fault for giving him such an insane contract. It's NOT his fault for considering his wife's career. Unless you're in or near that world, you have NO idea what his wife would have to go through to leave her current program. work and complete her residency in another state. It's EXTREMELY difficult to do, and virtually no one does it for this very reason. Residents suffer HORRIBLE conditions in some places akin to literal mental torture in order to just finish where they started and be done with it. Trust me when I tell you, him refusing to move to a team far away isn't "sabotage".

Do the guy right, offer to buy him out, and expect to see him on a local rival next year.

Who says she has to leave? Plenty of wife’s are home while the players are out on the road half a season. I’m sure they can make it work for a year as he collects his 8M paycheck. Trouba is a baby, he pulled the same shit on the Jets.

 

[Brief Candle]

To be fair - he could forego the remainder of his contract and give up $16M to stay in NYC. He wants his money too. It's not just the personal issues, which are more than understandable. He's trying to get his money and do what he wants regardless of what terms he's agreed to on his deal. Again - to caveat, this is based on what Brooks implies so to the extent he's wrong or off base, that's a whole different story.

Because the the company that is the New York Rangers would be so generous? Hell no. Sorry, I side with the human, not the company.

 

[SA16]

Right. And it's been discussed ad nauseam, but it's true. He signed for $8 mil a year and a 15 team NTC. He probably could have gotten a full no trade for the entire duration of the contract if he signed for $6.5-$7 mil. He didn't. He got as much money as he could, and now he needs to live with it.


I am totally fine with this. But we should be trying to trade him to NYI or Philly for something before buying him out.

Why do you think they still want to trade him? As of right now:

1. All the top FA forwards are gone so clearing the money would not let them get one
2. They have not signed a single defenseman and are not strong with defensive prospects so they don't have a replacement available
3. They don't need cap space this year to sign their last remaining RFAs
4. The coaching staff likes him and he's a key guy on the PK.

So unless they have a second trade already worked out that would require clearing cap space why do they want to trade him at this point? I don't think they care about the fans perception of the issue and neither does he. If he cared about that, then he wouldn't be so hesitant to go elsewhere.

Buying him out makes no sense (ignoring the fact that the buyout window is closed and they may or may not get another) because then you're just adding two additional years of cap hit and issues 1-4 above all still exist. Waiving him also makes little sense due to the above - especially since it seems he may actually have positive trade value and can be dealt in the offseason. If he had negative trade value they could just attach and asset and trade him to someone and even if he didn't report the other team could suspend him (and possibly terminate the deal) and still get the asset

 

[94leetch]

So, he's getting torn apart for something that may or may not have happened?
If so that was a hatchet job by Brooks.