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Player Discussion Jacob Trouba

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Slapshot's aren't dead at even strength.

The issues is most coaches demand righty's play right and lefty's play left..even off faceoffs.

It's dumb.

Defenseman should switch sides to open up for the 1 time blast from the point

Moving the puck side to side opens the lane for the shot.

Troubas got a bomb and keeps it low.

He should play ld on faceoffs.

But I think that way on all offensive zone faceoffs.

You can switch pretty easily if the play breaks down and heads the other way.
 
ColonialsHockey10 said:
If it’s even debatable, than why did you mention “his play is nothing like Reddens”? Because surely you could understand that it wasn’t a comparison to their play styles?

Am I missing something here?
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Hid play is better than Redden's. That is what I mean
 
Defenseman should just not shoot in general. Only if they are in a situation where they are near the net or looking for a deflection. Point shots are just bad.
 
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True Blue said:
Hid play is better than Redden's. That is what I mean
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You can make a strong case that Year 1 Redden was better than Year 1 Trouba. And both are horribly overpaid. And it clearly wasn’t a comparison on the style of hockey they play. I know you’re not that dense. ;)

So, we’re now a long way from “Trouba’s play as been NOTHING like Redden’s”. They’re quite similar situations. Redden just happens to invoke horrible PTSD that people aren’t willing to admit has already started to occur with Trouba.
 
ColonialsHockey10 said:
You can make a strong case that Year 1 Redden was better than Year 1 Trouba. And both are horribly overpaid. And it clearly wasn’t a comparison on the style of hockey they play. I know you’re not that dense. ;)

So, we’re now a long way from “Trouba’s play as been NOTHING like Redden’s”. They’re quite similar situations. Redden just happens to invoke horrible PTSD that people aren’t willing to admit has already started to occur with Trouba.
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You seem to be stuck on this style of play thing. Who cares about it? Let me state again, Trouba's play has been nothing like Redden's.
 
There's levels of bad and levels of overpaid.

IF Trouba turned into JJ or Staal, then it will be 'Redden-bad'.. ie not 'NHL players'.

Trouba just entered his prime and his contract will END (age 31) when Redden's was signed. Once again, there's levels to this. In the broadest of terms, they are both similar in that they are/were 'overpaid'. That's where the similarities end.

Trouba's salary should be around $6M but he's still a NHL player. He's also movable in 2024.
 
True Blue said:
You seem to be stuck on this style of play thing. Who cares about it? Let me state again, Trouba's play has been nothing like Redden's.
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My point was that, unless you misinterpreted my original comparison between Redden and Trouba, I find it really difficult to understand what’s such a stretch about saying their situations being similar.

Especially when, like two posts later, you concede to saying the quality of play from Year 1 Redden and Year 1 Trouba is debatable, which happens to imply close.
 
ColonialsHockey10 said:
My point was that, unless you misinterpreted my original comparison between Redden and Trouba, I find it really difficult to understand what’s such a stretch about saying their situations being similar.

Especially when, like two posts later, you concede to saying the quality of play from Year 1 Redden and Year 1 Trouba is debatable, which happens to imply close.
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Meaning it is debatable if Redden had the better year.
 
duhmetreE said:
There's levels of bad and levels of overpaid.

IF Trouba turned into JJ or Staal, then it will be 'Redden-bad'.. ie not 'NHL players'.

Trouba just entered his prime and his contract will END (age 31) when Redden's was signed. Once again, there's levels to this. In the broadest of terms, they are both similar in that they are/were 'overpaid'. That's where the similarities end.

Trouba's salary should be around $6M but he's still a NHL player. He's also movable in 2024.
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You throw out the word “prime” like it’s some magical level that a player automatically hits when they reach a certain age.

You realize we’ve had Trouba in his “prime” for a year now, and the results are awful? And he’s been trending in the wrong direction for a season or two. The “prime” talk is completely counterintuitive to the point you’re trying to make!
 
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True Blue said:
Meaning it is debatable if Redden had the better year.
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Yes, I just said that. I know what you meant.

When two people debate something, that typically means the result of the point they’re arguing is up for discussion. In this case, Year 1 Redden and Year 1 Trouba is debatable in terms of performance. You agree as much. Even if Trouba was better (very possible), it’s close. So the comparison of Trouba and Redden isn’t this completely outlandish one like you implied. It only is in the minds of posters that won’t admit we signed a mediocre defenseman to a horrible contract. Deja vu.

Trouba isn’t some young defenseman trying to figure it out. What you see is what you get - he wasn’t much better in Winnipeg. He’s on the same trajectory as Mr Redden, regardless of what age they are.
 
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I mentioned this before but some U18 and U20 popped up on my youtube feed (also featuring mr Skjei) and what I saw was ghastly. Keep waiting for the breakthrough though.
 
ColonialsHockey10 said:
You throw out the word “prime” like it’s some magical level that a player automatically hits when they reach a certain age.

You realize we’ve had Trouba in his “prime” for a year now, and the results are awful? And he’s been trending in the wrong direction for a season or two. The “prime” talk is completely counterintuitive to the point you’re trying to make!
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You're the one trying to say Redden and Trouba are the same. Why aren't we up in arms about it?

They are not the same. They are both over paid. That's where it ends. Trouba is still a NHL player, signed through his prime years. Debatable on top2, top4 etc.

Redden was on the decline, signed at age 31 and not too far after signing, was NOT a NHL player.

IF you do not discern the differences, that's not my problem.
 
duhmetreE said:
You're the one trying to say Redden and Trouba are the same. Why aren't we up in arms about it?

They are not the same. They are both over paid. That's where it ends. Trouba is still a NHL player, signed through his prime years. Debatable on top2, top4 etc.

Redden was on the decline, signed at age 31 and not too far after signing, was NOT a NHL player.

IF you do not discern the differences, that's not my problem.
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We literally established, like several posts above this, that you can make a strong case for Redden outplaying Trouba in his first year as a Ranger. They were both NHL players.

Just as players don’t magically elevate their game at a certain age, like you’ve seemed to imply by drawing this imaginary line around “prime years”, they decline at different ages as well. Stepan started declining when he was younger than Trouba is now. Trouba’s game relies on physicality, while Redden relied on skating and hockey sense. It’s completely reasonable, and actually factual, to assume that Trouba’s decline will come sooner than Redden’s.

I feel like I’m Oscar trying to explain budget surplus to Michael.
 
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ColonialsHockey10 said:
We literally established, like several posts above this, that you can make a strong case for Redden outplaying Trouba in his first year as a Ranger. They were both NHL players.

Just as players don’t magically elevate their game at a certain age, like you’ve seemed to imply by drawing this imaginary line around “prime years”, they decline at different ages as well. Stepan started declining when he was younger than Trouba is now. Trouba’s game relies on physicality, while Redden relied on skating and hockey sense. It’s completely reasonable, and actually factual, to assume that Trouba’s decline will come sooner than Redden’s.

I feel like I’m Oscar trying to explain budget surplus to Michael.
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You're trying to make your narrative fit. It doesn't. but keep hammering it

In what way was Reddens year better than Troubas? Redden is/was Jack Johnson. Not a NHL player. Did not belong in the NHL. If you can't discern he difference, this is pointless.
 
dunno, he's still been up and down but mainly if he stops shooting the puck into the opposing team then I think he and Miller will look real good together as the season progresses.
 
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True Blue said:
Low point shots is how you create rebounds.
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That's cool if you don't hit a guy in the shin pad that's 2 feet in front of you (Trouba)

Coaches specifically cover this in video. Shooting at shin pads is one of the worst plays you can make in the offensive zone. An egregious mistake at the NHL level
 
Trouba has been disappointing in his 70 odd games here. But Redden was putrid and was billed by Sather as the best first passer in the NHL. Which made his time here even more infuriating to fans.
 
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