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Player Discussion Jacob Trouba

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Gardner McKay said:
The funniest thing in this thread is how many people who would have given their first born to get Trouba a few years ago, talking about what a great defenseman he is, are now shitting on him regularly. Make no mistake, it is more than 50% of people here.

Never ceases to amaze me...
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Well, I'm not making an argument one way or another, but it's possible to want a guy and then him underperform here.
 
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Gardner McKay said:
The funniest thing in this thread is how many people who would have given their first born to get Trouba a few years ago, talking about what a great defenseman he is, are now shitting on him regularly. Make no mistake, it is more than 50% of people here.

Never ceases to amaze me...
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Been asking this question. But just for how long have you been posting here?
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
Well, I'm not making an argument one way or another, but it's possible to want a guy and then him underperform here.
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It is very possible. It also possible (and what I believe to be the case) for a player to be the largely same guy he was on his previous team, with his weaknesses being concealed by a significantly stronger overall defensive structure and D core. In terms of a grass is greener scenario, we look at every other teams grass as if its the most majestical shade of green to ever grace the planet and we look at our grass as if its one giant field of cow shit.
 
Gardner McKay said:
It is very possible. It also possible (and what I believe to be the case) for a player to be the largely same guy he was on his previous team, with his weaknesses being concealed by a significantly stronger overall defensive structure and D core. In terms of a grass is greener scenario, we look at every other teams grass as if its the most majestical shade of green to ever grace the planet and we look at our grass as if its one giant field of cow shit.
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And that is what people ignore. Look at his supporting cast when with the Jets. Look at who his partner was when he was with the Jets. Look at the difference in roles. Aside from a few exceptions, the bloom tends to come of the rose fairly quickly for players who were traded for after being pined for.

Trouba has basically been the same player here as he was with the Jets. And the price to obtain such a defenseman was at a level that Gorton could not ignore.
 
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Inferno said:
Trouba was never as good as ppl said he was. But the price to get him was still worth it. He's a good defenseman. And he played really well against the isles in game 2
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100% agree. As one of the people who was the most anti-trouba, I think the price we paid was more than fair. I'm actually quite happy with him, just wish his contract was about 1 million less. But I can live with him. He is more likely to help us win a cup than hinder us from winning a cup IMO.
 
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Gardner McKay said:
100% agree. As one of the people who was the most anti-trouba, I think the price we paid was more than fair. I'm actually quite happy with him, just wish his contract was about 1 million less. But I can live with him. He is more likely to help us win a cup than hinder us from winning a cup IMO.
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This post is almost word for word my feelings on Trouba
 
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I didn’t think I’d hate how much he shoots the puck, but my god is shots are the worst. His shots are either a) smoking shin pads or b) crest sniping. It’s kind of insane.

Miller playing the way he has has been a boon for every other part of his game though. Really settled him down out there.
 
JohnC said:
I didn’t think I’d hate how much he shoots the puck, but my god is shots are the worst. His shots are either a) smoking shin pads or b) crest sniping. It’s kind of insane.

Miller playing the way he has has been a boon for every other part of his game though. Really settled him down out there.
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There have been so many times where he came in on a rebound with the goalie down and all he needs to do is just accurately place it, and instead decides to take a rip without any regard for aiming. Literally the anti-Fox of hockey IQ.
 
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Inferno said:
Trouba was never as good as ppl said he was. But the price to get him was still worth it. He's a good defenseman. And he played really well against the isles in game 2
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The Trouba trade was excellent. It was a no-brainer.

The Trouba extension is going to be Redden-esque, though. It’s close already. He’s a #3 defenseman on a good night.

You’ve got to give to get. I understand. But Trouba’s agent bent the Rangers over on that contract.
 
Inferno said:
I agree but I think his placement has been awful. The velocity is there.
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Shot velocity is perhaps one of the least important parts of a defenceman having a great shot. Now the truly great shooters like Weber have rockets, but they also have the other qualities like shot selection, accuracy etc. Take those away and the shot quality plummets even if the MPH figures are great.

Trouba's accuracy isn't anything to write home about, but his shot selection is by far the biggest problem. Compare and contrast:
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Add the fact that the wristers that Fox/DeAngelo usually fire from the point are much better for tips/deflections than the slappers that Trouba usually favors.
 
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Blue Blooded said:
Shot velocity is perhaps one of the least important parts of a defenceman having a great shot. Now the truly great shooters like Weber have rockets, but they also have the other qualities like shot selection, accuracy etc. Take those away and the shot quality plummets even if the MPH figures are great.

Trouba's accuracy isn't anything to write home about, but his shot selection is by far the biggest problem. Compare and contrast:
troubja94

foxxxad98

deangan95


Add the fact that the wristers that Fox/DeAngelo usually fire from the point are much better for tips/deflections than the slappers that Trouba usually favors.
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No one let him know the even strength slap shot died like 6 years ago.
 
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True Blue said:
Just on this, Trouba's play has been NOTHING like Redden's.
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Redden is older, slower, less physical and all around could not be less like Trouba.

Redden also had a better first year than Trouba. Which is saying something.
 
McRanger said:
Redden also had a better first year than Trouba. Which is saying something.
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Eh, we can debate that. Though, truth be told, I do not 100% remember it so you could very well be right. I just recall him being putrid.
 
McRanger said:
Redden is older, slower, less physical and all around could not be less like Trouba.

Redden also had a better first year than Trouba. Which is saying something.
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It's hard to guage a defenseman when the team cant play defense.

The problem moving forward with Trouba is not his play, but his cap hit. He was signed as a PP1 top pair defenseman, ie 50pts defenseman. He's going to be a part of our 'shutdown pair' but he's not going to get PP1 time.

I honestly like Miller Trouba pairing and hopefully they continue to play as they did against Pittsburgh

He's moveable in 2024 if it comes to that.
 
True Blue said:
Just on this, Trouba's play has been NOTHING like Redden's.
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I see two guys regularly playing like 3rd pair defenseman. I’m not ready to start showering Trouba with praise because he’s strung together two games of “sound” hockey. Less than a week ago he was feeding Jack Hughes breakaways on a silver pattern.

The scary thing is people keep mentioning Trouba “redeeming” himself, like there’s some level we haven’t seen yet. He was a middle pairing defenseman even before he left Winnipeg.

The bottom line is both of their play as Rangers was/has been garbage. It just isn’t convenient for people to admit because we’ve got many more years of this.
 
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McRanger said:
Redden is older, slower, less physical and all around could not be less like Trouba.

Redden also had a better first year than Trouba. Which is saying something.
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The comparison is not their play style.

The comparison is they’re both defenseman signed to horrible contracts by this team. One of them is vilified as the worst player to ever don a Ranger uniform, while the other gets a comical amount of patience to “re-achieve” a level he never had.
 
True Blue said:
Eh, we can debate that. Though, truth be told, I do not 100% remember it so you could very well be right. I just recall him being putrid.
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If it’s even debatable, than why did you mention “his play is nothing like Reddens”? Because surely you could understand that it wasn’t a comparison to their play styles?

Am I missing something here?
 
ColonialsHockey10 said:
The comparison is not their play style.

The comparison is they’re both defenseman signed to horrible contracts by this team. One of them is vilified as the worst player to ever don a Ranger uniform, while the other gets a comical amount of patience to “re-achieve” a level he never had.
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That's the only similarity.
 
I've been happy with Trouba's play so far this year. If he and Miller can continue to click, I think he'll be fine. He turns 27 next month and will be 32 when his contract ends. The last 2 years of his contract, his NMC changes to a limited NTC, so there's a good chance he is traded when he is 30-31.

Schneider is probably the guy who eventually replaces Trouba, assuming he develops as expected.
 
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