Value of: Jacob Trouba to DET

[SnoopDogg]

I have reason to believe that Trouba is the most overrated player on this entire website

 

[JetsHomer]

I have reason to believe that Trouba is the most overrated player on this entire website

Actually that would be Ristolainen. At least Trouba knows how to play defense and not 4th forward

 

[Viqsi]

Love how all these fanboys make proposals for their teams to acquire Trouba, then knock him and call him overrated.

Please note that the Wings fans who inquired after Trouba and the Wings fan(s)* bitterly dismissing him as overrated are not actually the same people.


*: I only counted one. There's a Sabres fan that has also made the same assertion, tho.

 

[SnoopDogg]

Actually that would be Ristolainen. At least Trouba knows how to play defense and not 4th forward

Good try, if only Ristolainen's defensive stats weren't a lot better

 

[JetsHomer]

Good try, if only Ristolainen's defensive stats weren't a lot better

Better than Trouba's? They aren't, and they never have been.

The difference between how people see Trouba and Risto is cause Ristolainen scored 3 more 5v5 points and 17 more pp points. Scoring is so overrated when it comes to evaluating defensemen

 

[Flair Hay]

Jets are in a great position in that they can protect 4 D for the expansion draft and not lose a top six forward. They can keep a good top 4 together which a lot of teams won't be able to. They can add Ehlers, Connor and Laine to the 4 forwards they keep.

Trading Trouba right now for non exempt guys like Tatar and Manta makes less sense than it would in a vacuum.

All the Jets need to do is extend Perreault to a reasonable deal, to be our 4th protected forward, and they are off and running.

 

[OutsideLookingIn]

Well... Trouba can play the left side. So there shouldn't realistically be a problem here?

Do you consider that Trouba hasn't been signed, because he doesn't want to play the left side. He's played the right side 99% of Jr, college and pro career. Add in that his long term earning potential is impacted by playing the left side and getting little PP time behind Buff and Myers.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Do you consider that Trouba hasn't been signed, because he doesn't want to play the left side. He's played the right side 99% of Jr, college and pro career. Add in that his long term earning potential is impacted by playing the left side and getting little PP time behind Buff and Myers.

Are you just writing your own narrative? It has never been published that he hates playing the left side, and he played quite well there for most of last season.

Anyway, offer Larkin or don't bother calling. The Jets don't need to downgrade their D in exchange for a bunch of bit parts offered by Detroit fans. At least with an offer of Larkin they'd be motivated to make the trade and rejig their D in another manner. Am aware that isn't likely; some should take that hint.

Thanks, but no thanks.

 

[JetsHomer]

Do you consider that Trouba hasn't been signed, because he doesn't want to play the left side. He's played the right side 99% of Jr, college and pro career. Add in that his long term earning potential is impacted by playing the left side and getting little PP time behind Buff and Myers.

Playing LD beside Buff is the best option for Trouba's career financially, he'd be open for a lot of shots and would put up big numbers with Buff, they played incredible together.

 

[OutsideLookingIn]

Are you just writing your own narrative? It has never been published that he hates playing the left side, and he played quite well there for most of last season.

Anyway, offer Larkin or don't bother calling. The Jets don't need to downgrade their D in exchange for a bunch of bit parts offered by Detroit fans. At least with an offer of Larkin they'd be motivated to make the trade and rejig their D in another manner. Am aware that isn't likely; some should take that hint.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Isn't that what this entire site is about, writing you own narrative? I don't think any owners, GM or team reps are coming on here to post. Maybe some agents post to create buzz. Other than that 99.9% of the posts are purely speculative.

Try to look at things from a player perspective and not from the fan's. It can paint a different picture.

 

[Maukkis]

Isn't that what this entire site is about, writing you own narrative? I don't think any owners, GM or team reps are coming on here to post. Maybe some agents post to create buzz. Other than that 99.9% of the posts are purely speculative.

Try to look at things from a player perspective and not from the fan's. It can paint a different picture.

Well, while playing on your offside is never ideal, in this case it means not having to play with Stuart, which one could imagine being enticing as hell. Trouba's corsi numbers skyrocketed when he played on the left side with Buff, compared to carrying the anvil known as Stuart on the right side. You never know what Trouba wants, but I wouldn't put my money on him hating playing with Buff.

 

[nbwingsfan]

They'd want Larkin, which I wouldn't want to give up.

 

[Fear]

This is a disgusting over payment. Top line 30+ goal scorer, Detroit's top prospect who happens to be a 6'5" goal scorer and a 1st that could potentially be a lottery pick based on where the Wings are headed. Keep in mind, while Trouba has every indication he'll be great he hasn't actually done it yet, he's far from a proven thing.

This is the second craziest post in this thread only behind the Jets fan that said they would decline.

Tatar's 3 full seasons: 19 goals, 29 goals, 21 goals.

One could say hes a 20 goal scorer who had a good year

 

[FireBird71]

Rather just keep Trouba.

For that Id rather the Jets keep him too

 

[J15]

Holy god. Rarely do you see a post which makes as little sense as this one.

1) Then don't bother posting here.

2) In that case, how about DeKeyser for Dano + Roslovic + Kosmachuk? Because of the value, of course. Who cares about needs? You'll be getting even more forwards to add to your logjam, but you can deal some of them for a DeKeyser replacement, so you take that deal and run away.

3) We'd be turning down a 1st round pick, a winger prospect who is not better/not projected to be better than four of our current wingers, all of which are pretty much locks to form our top 6 winger core for many seasons to come, and a second line winger who we do not have the space for. Disagree all you want, but that does nothing for us.

4) If the points above didn't already make it clear enough, value is not everything. An example: you're a poor guy who is starving. You only have 20 dollars to spend. You could use that to buy yourself a jacket which is on sale, or you could use that money for food. Which one do you choose?

5) If it was so easy, why wouldn't you trade those pieces yourself for the "Trouba replacement" we are supposed to trade for? As you might have seen from the Hall deal, there simply are not available young defensemen.

Going to be interesting to see all the counter arguments.

1) Whether you'd like to hear it or not, trades aren't always about needs, when teams offer you massive overpayments you take it. Me pointing that out to you may upset you, but it's certainly in the scope of this thread.

2) Value wise that's nothing close to a top 10 pick + Mantha + Tatar. Try 1st + Connor + Little. And before you say it, yes when the Connor hype dies down we'll realize there isn't much separating him from Mantha. In fact the Connor hype now is almost identical to the Mantha hype post draft year.

3) First, if you really have no place for them on your roster, trade them for pieces. For example Ducks fans seem okay with Fowler for Tatar + Jurco +2nd (or something of similar value). You were offered a top line winger, blue chip prospect and a 1st and you claim it "does nothing for you", please let that sink in and reconsider before posting again.

4) Value isn't everything, but by your logic it's absolutely nothing. If you're homeless and someone offers you a $300 dollar jacket or a $20 meal you take the jacket every time because even if you sell it for half of what it's worth you still make a killing.

5) If Detroit were going to trade those pieces it would be for a player much better than Trouba, who by your own admission, has only ever been a #3. The idea is to get a replacement without gutting the farm (ie giving up your best prospect and the highest draft pick your franchise has had in close to 3 decades). One GM getting ripped off doesn't set a bar for the entire league. You've picked the one trade that almost every expert/fan agrees was a huge overpayment and claim it represents the price for all D-men.

 

[Ttownjets61]

How is it that wings, leafs, oilers fans keep making trade proposals for trouba and when it gets shot down all of a sudden trouba is over rated?

You don't see jets fans coming up with these offers. It's always other teams wanting him and slotting him in as a #1 on the right side. Then all of a sudden you guys do a 180 and he's overrated and will amount to nothing.

The guy is a beast and will be a stud.

 

[J15]

Since when are tiny 45 point wingers considered 'top line 30+ goal players' ?

Anyone who watches Tatar knows he's easily a top 6 winger and can do well on the top line if he's used properly. For some reason he's been in Blashill's doghouse (seriously look at his TOI).

Since when is Mantha more than a decent AHL player and an ok NHL prospect?

Since about 3 months after he was drafted? He had a rough rookie AHL season that started with a broken leg and his value tanked when DRW management made the mistake of calling him out in front of the media. Despite that he is still pretty widely viewed as Detroit's top prospect, ahead of AA, Svechnikov etc. Calling him a decent AHL player just goes to show how little you know about him.

You are vastly overrating your pieces. That package offered sucks. If the Jets were to move Trouba it wouldn't be for useless pieces we don't need that have little value overall

Idk what world Jets fans are living in, but keep posting stuff like this and you'll lose credibility quickly.

A first round draft pick that could very likely be a top-10 pick, a top prospect with elite scoring potential and huge size and a relatively young top 6 winger who's underperforming in his current system are "useless pieces". I don't think we can have much a conversation if you actually believe any of what you've said in this post.

 

[Maukkis]

1) Whether you'd like to hear it or not, trades aren't always about needs, when teams offer you massive overpayments you take it. Me pointing that out to you may upset you, but it's certainly in the scope of this thread.

2) Value wise that's nothing close to a top 10 pick + Mantha + Tatar. Try 1st + Connor + Little. And before you say it, yes when the Connor hype dies down we'll realize there isn't much separating him from Mantha. In fact the Connor hype now is almost identical to the Mantha hype post draft year.

3) First, if you really have no place for them on your roster, trade them for pieces. For example Ducks fans seem okay with Fowler for Tatar + Jurco +2nd (or something of similar value). You were offered a top line winger, blue chip prospect and a 1st and you claim it "does nothing for you", please let that sink in and reconsider before posting again.

4) Value isn't everything, but by your logic it's absolutely nothing. If you're homeless and someone offers you a $300 dollar jacket or a $20 meal you take the jacket every time because even if you sell it for half of what it's worth you still make a killing.

5) If Detroit were going to trade those pieces it would be for a player much better than Trouba, who by your own admission, has only ever been a #3. The idea is to get a replacement without gutting the farm (ie giving up your best prospect and the highest draft pick your franchise has had in close to 3 decades). One GM getting ripped off doesn't set a bar for the entire league. You've picked the one trade that almost every expert/fan agrees was a huge overpayment and claim it represents the price for all D-men.

1) OK then. Offer up Larkin and DeKeyser, and you have an overpayment which would be accepted.

2) You are not selling a top 10 pick, ffs. Remember how San Jose supposedly traded a top 10, almost a top 5 pick for Jones? Well, we know how that turned out to be. And looking at your response, looks like that's not the only thing you didn't understand.

That counter offer was there as a reversed situation of your offer. A bunch of pieces which are not that needed in Detroit considering their depth, but still more valuable than a needed player in DeKeyser. Instead of realizing my point, you got stuck in the names. Well done.

3) "trade them for pieces" That is literally the most impressive comment of the decade. You want us to trade our defense's cornerstone for unneeded pieces, and then suggest us to trade them for even more pieces? Are you trading Larkin for bottom pairing guys? No, because quality > quantity. Same goes for Winnipeg. We need our high end guys.

4) Your offer isn't that kind of overpayment. And besides, how exactly can you guarantee finding a Trouba replacement, and if you can, why won't you acquire them and leave Winnipeg out of the trade? It sounds like you either refuse to acknowledge the scarcity of RHDs or just generally don't have a clue of how badly everyone wants them.

5) Go for it then, we will gladly keep Trouba. Have fun hunting that defenseman.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Trouba

Exactly!!! He's only going to get what the market has set for a young defenseman of that caliber give or take. He won't get much more than Jones whether his agent wants it or not unless there is a ridiculous offer sheet that is.

I think Trouba and Jones have the same agent, so you would think if the Jets offered Jones money, a deal gets done

 

[Breakers]

The overrating of Trouba on these boards is astonishing

Yeah it's really quite Brutal

Same with the Subban proposals.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Ah, the trades and rumors forum. Never change.

 

[Gump Hasek]

A first round draft pick that could very likely be a top-10 pick, a top prospect with elite scoring potential and huge size and a relatively young top 6 winger who's underperforming in his current system are "useless pieces". I don't think we can have much a conversation if you actually believe any of what you've said in this post.

Are you somehow operating under the assumption that the Jets are rebuilding? They aren't, FYI. Tatar doesn't fit into a forward group that already includes Scheifele, Wheeler, Little, Laine, Ehlers, Connor, etc. The Jets have no use for him. Same goes for Mantha, considering that the Jets have arguably the top prospect group in the NHL and currently have too many forwards as it is. The draft pick you are offering? BFD' to a team that is already stacked with prospects. That is why you need to tailor an offer to your prospective trade partner's needs. Your offer would be laughed at by Winnipeg, FYI.

If the Jets traded Trouba, then they are short one Trouba. Doubt you have one of those to offer as a replacement, so we'll just pass.

 

[Viqsi]

4) Value isn't everything, but by your logic it's absolutely nothing. If you're homeless and someone offers you a $300 dollar jacket or a $20 meal you take the jacket every time because even if you sell it for half of what it's worth you still make a killing.

If you're starving and bedraggled, nobody's going to buy that jacket from you for anything resembling market value.

 

[evolutionbaby]

For those saying Larkin...why? Im not sure why Troubas value seems to be going up on these boards when he really hasnt done much. Im not saying he is trending down or anything, but when we talk "potential", wouldnt the younger player who is trending up have more value than a player that has trended down his last two years? People always give me the "Trouba logged a ton of minutes" business, but Ok, if he was that good, him being out there a ton of minutes would help the team right? They were a lottery team and for what reason? That roster has no business being a lottery team. I get that D take longer to develop, but what have you done for me lately? Trouba...not so much. Would I like him on Det. yes, but I am not giving up anything more than Mantha+ in terms of prospects. Do I think Trouba will be a good NHL defensemen? Yes, a good #3/4 dman on good teams. This is coming from a Wings fan living in Winnipeg.

 

[mcpw]

They were a lottery team and for what reason?