Value of: Jacob Trouba to DET

[Hunter368]

I know this will receive hate but what would the + be on a Dekeyser+ deal?

The + would need to be a lot more then Dekeyser himself.

TBH no real interest in him.

 

[broc]

Love how all these fanboys make proposals for their teams to acquire Trouba, then knock him and call him overrated.

of course he won't get a Hall return, but you can be sure the price/value of dmen has only gone up.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

The only teams that really need to come knocking are the ones with the assets at LHD to make the swap. Any trade we made for a non elite forward would be bad asset management on the Jets part.

The cost of replacing Trouba after any such trade would be way too high.

 

[Halla]

Winnipeg would ask for larkin, and rightfully so....

Maybe Tatar, Athanisou, and Cholowski would work?

 

[Whileee]

The only teams that really need to come knocking are the ones with the assets at LHD to make the swap. Any trade we made for a non elite forward would be bad asset management on the Jets part.

The cost of replacing Trouba after any such trade would be way too high.

Agree with this. Unless the forward is young and better than the Jets top 3-4 forwards, I can't see why they'd trade their 2nd best D.

 

[Henkka]

Agree with this. Unless the forward is young and better than the Jets top 3-4 forwards, I can't see why they'd trade their 2nd best D.

So trade Myers instead of him.

 

[Maukkis]

Winnipeg would ask for larkin, and rightfully so....

Maybe Tatar, Athanisou, and Cholowski would work?

Nowhere near. We DO NOT NEED more forwards, and Cholowski doesn't justify this trade at all.

So trade Myers instead of him.

...why? We need defense, and Myers is a big part of our top 4. With no one ready to replace him, why in god's name should we trade him?

 

[Evil Little]

I know this will receive hate but what would the + be on a Dekeyser+ deal?

Plus a good reason why the Jets would want a downgrade on their greatest position of organizational need (young D).

 

[Pavels Dog]

Would love Trouba in Detroit but as mentioned, it's not a good fit as trade partners go.

 

[Guffman]

Taylor Hall doesn't determine every freaking trade from now on.

Perhaps, but a young RHD with Trouba's skillset is a highly desirable commodity which the market thirst for.

 

[Dead Thing Fan]

Ana/Wpg/Det

To Ana: Nyquist + Pulkkinen

To Wpg: Fowler + Det 2017 1st

To Det: Trouba

 

[Maukkis]

To Ana: Nyquist + Pulkkinen

To Wpg: Fowler + Det 2017 1st

To Det: Trouba

I'd rather keep Trouba. We can get him locked up for waaay longer than Fowler would be.

 

[J15]

Would something like Tatar + Mantha + 1st be close?

This is a disgusting over payment. Top line 30+ goal scorer, Detroit's top prospect who happens to be a 6'5" goal scorer and a 1st that could potentially be a lottery pick based on where the Wings are headed. Keep in mind, while Trouba has every indication he'll be great he hasn't actually done it yet, he's far from a proven thing.

This is the second craziest post in this thread only behind the Jets fan that said they would decline.

 

[LarKing]

Love how all these fanboys make proposals for their teams to acquire Trouba, then knock him and call him overrated.

of course he won't get a Hall return, but you can be sure the price/value of dmen has only gone up.

Uh the OP hasn't insulted Trouba at all. You should try reading before making dumb statements like this next time.

 

[Maukkis]

This is a disgusting over payment. Top line 30+ goal scorer, Detroit's top prospect who happens to be a 6'5" goal scorer and a 1st that could potentially be a lottery pick based on where the Wings are headed.

This is the second craziest post in this thread only behind the Jets fan that said they would decline.

Let's make it two: we decline. Easily.

You Wings fans are not realizing the basic things here. Winnipeg DOES NOT have any additional defensemen in their organization, let alone young #3 ones with potential to grow into a top pairing guy. Why the hell should we give Trouba up for something we do not need, which is more and more forwards?

You can add bits and pieces because they're valuable to you, but you can't expect other teams to value those pieces in the same way. Especially if you're dealing with a team with the largest forward prospect pool in the league.

 

[LarKing]

Let's make it two: we decline. Easily.

You Wings fans are not realizing the basic things here. Winnipeg DOES NOT have any additional defensemen in their organization, let alone young #3 ones with potential to grow into a top pairing guy. Why the hell should we give Trouba up for something we do not need, which is more and more forwards?

You can add bits and pieces because they're valuable to you, but you can't expect other teams to value those pieces in the same way. Especially if you're dealing with a team with the largest forward prospect pool in the league.

Agreed. Winnipeg and Detroit aren't a good match.

 

[J15]

Let's make it two: we decline. Easily.

You Wings fans are not realizing the basic things here. Winnipeg DOES NOT have any additional defensemen in their organization, let alone young #3 ones with potential to grow into a top pairing guy. Why the hell should we give Trouba up for something we do not need, which is more and more forwards?

You can add bits and pieces because they're valuable to you, but you can't expect other teams to value those pieces in the same way. Especially if you're dealing with a team with the largest forward prospect pool in the league.

I don't care what your needs are, when you can get away with highway robbery you do it every time.

Trust me, as a Wings fan I understand how valuable a good defenceman is, but you'd be turning down a top 10 draft pick, a potential elite goal scorer and an established top line winger for Trouba and his potential. Value wise that's a no brainer. Take the deal, trade your expendable pieces to fill the void left by Trouba and still have quality pieces left over.

 

[Huffer]

I don't care what your needs are, when you can get away with highway robbery you do it every time.

Trust me, as a Wings fan I understand how valuable a good defenceman is, but you'd be turning down a top 10 draft pick, a potential elite goal scorer and an established top line winger for Trouba and his potential. Value wise that's a no brainer. Take the deal, trade your expendable pieces to fill the void left by Trouba and still have quality pieces left over.

How would the Jets have any quality pieces left over in this scenario? If that's the price (hypothetically) for Trouba, the Jets would then need to use all of those pieces (or comparable ones) to get a Trouba from someone else. And now the Jets have to take the risk that there even is a team willing to deal a young D like Trouba out there? How did that go for the Oilers for the last few years? No thanks.

IMO, the options for the Jets are:

1) Re-sign
2) Trade for a comparable D (age and upside) don't see this available.
3) Trade for a comparable F (like Larkin, Landeskog, etc), and then try to make a subsequent trade for likely a lesser D.

 

[Maukkis]

1) I don't care what your needs are, 2) when you can get away with highway robbery you do it every time.

Trust me, as a Wings fan I understand how valuable a good defenceman is, 3) but you'd be turning down a top 10 draft pick, a potential elite goal scorer and an established top line winger for Trouba and his potential. 4) Value wise that's a no brainer. 5) Take the deal, trade your expendable pieces to fill the void left by Trouba and still have quality pieces left over.

Holy god. Rarely do you see a post which makes as little sense as this one.

1) Then don't bother posting here.

2) In that case, how about DeKeyser for Dano + Roslovic + Kosmachuk? Because of the value, of course. Who cares about needs? You'll be getting even more forwards to add to your logjam, but you can deal some of them for a DeKeyser replacement, so you take that deal and run away.

3) We'd be turning down a 1st round pick, a winger prospect who is not better/not projected to be better than four of our current wingers, all of which are pretty much locks to form our top 6 winger core for many seasons to come, and a second line winger who we do not have the space for. Disagree all you want, but that does nothing for us.

4) If the points above didn't already make it clear enough, value is not everything. An example: you're a poor guy who is starving. You only have 20 dollars to spend. You could use that to buy yourself a jacket which is on sale, or you could use that money for food. Which one do you choose?

5) If it was so easy, why wouldn't you trade those pieces yourself for the "Trouba replacement" we are supposed to trade for? As you might have seen from the Hall deal, there simply are not available young defensemen.

Going to be interesting to see all the counter arguments.

 

[Hoverhand]

If Trouba is eventually traded, he won't go for what Jets fans are asking for.
In this market Tatar+Mantha+1st would be an overpayment.

However as many Jets fans reiterate they want an LD in return for him. But if nobody offers that where is Trouba going to play is one of Byfuglien, Myers or Trouba able to play the left side or are you sticking him on the 3rd pairing? You may be able to work out a three team deal that gets Fowler but considering Fowler has been a bigger presence in this league for a longer period of time he probably holds more value than Trouba does.
So what this ends up being is a deal likely of

WPG: Fowler

TOR/DET: Trouba

ANA: Tatar++/JVR+

Unless you have interest in LD's such as Gardiner or Dekeyser then a smaller deal can be worked out.
That's essentially the book on Trouba.

 

[JetsHomer]

This is a disgusting over payment. Top line 30+ goal scorer, Detroit's top prospect who happens to be a 6'5" goal scorer and a 1st that could potentially be a lottery pick based on where the Wings are headed. Keep in mind, while Trouba has every indication he'll be great he hasn't actually done it yet, he's far from a proven thing.

This is the second craziest post in this thread only behind the Jets fan that said they would decline.

Since when are tiny 45 point wingers considered 'top line 30+ goal players' ?

Since when is Mantha more than a decent AHL player and an ok NHL prospect?

You are vastly overrating your pieces. That package offered sucks. If the Jets were to move Trouba it wouldn't be for useless pieces we don't need that have little value overall

 

[Maukkis]

If Trouba is eventually traded, he won't go for what Jets fans are asking for.
In this market Tatar+Mantha+1st would be an overpayment.

However as many Jets fans reiterate they want an LD in return for him. But if nobody offers that where is Trouba going to play is one of Byfuglien, Myers or Trouba able to play the left side or are you sticking him on the 3rd pairing? You may be able to work out a three team deal that gets Fowler but considering Fowler has been a bigger presence in this league for a longer period of time he probably holds more value than Trouba does.
So what this ends up being is a deal likely of

WPG: Fowler

TOR/DET: Trouba

ANA: Tatar++/JVR+

Unless you have interest in LD's such as Gardiner or Dekeyser then a smaller deal can be worked out.
That's essentially the book on Trouba.

Well... Trouba can play the left side. So there shouldn't realistically be a problem here?

 

[Huffer]

If Trouba is eventually traded, he won't go for what Jets fans are asking for.
In this market Tatar+Mantha+1st would be an overpayment.

However as many Jets fans reiterate they want an LD in return for him. But if nobody offers that where is Trouba going to play is one of Byfuglien, Myers or Trouba able to play the left side or are you sticking him on the 3rd pairing? You may be able to work out a three team deal that gets Fowler but considering Fowler has been a bigger presence in this league for a longer period of time he probably holds more value than Trouba does.
So what this ends up being is a deal likely of

WPG: Fowler

TOR/DET: Trouba

ANA: Tatar++/JVR+

Unless you have interest in LD's such as Gardiner or Dekeyser then a smaller can be worked out.
That's essentially the book on Trouba.

Thanks for the "book" on Trouba.

Considering you don't even know that yes, Trouba did indeed play on the left, and played very well, sorry if I don't agree with your assessment of the situation.

In no way should the Jets move Trouba for Fowler. Fowler has 2 years left on his contract (did you check?). Why wouldn't the Jets just re-sign Trouba and keep him on the left then? He's younger and the Jets would have him under contract for longer.

 

[JetsHomer]

Trouba is better than Fowler AINEC. The Jets aren't going to downgrade their D

 

[Paradise*]

If Trouba is eventually traded, he won't go for what Jets fans are asking for.
In this market Tatar+Mantha+1st would be an overpayment.

However as many Jets fans reiterate they want an LD in return for him. But if nobody offers that where is Trouba going to play is one of Byfuglien, Myers or Trouba able to play the left side or are you sticking him on the 3rd pairing? You may be able to work out a three team deal that gets Fowler but considering Fowler has been a bigger presence in this league for a longer period of time he probably holds more value than Trouba does.
So what this ends up being is a deal likely of

WPG: Fowler

TOR/DET: Trouba

ANA: Tatar++/JVR+

Unless you have interest in LD's such as Gardiner or Dekeyser then a smaller deal can be worked out.
That's essentially the book on Trouba.

I suggest you read the thread. It's been posted multiple times that Trouba is currently playing top pair LD. It's also been posted that the Jets don't need to trade him.

BTW Why would anyone listen to you about "That's essentially the book on Trouba". When you're ignorant to the player and situation at hand? Go educate yourself and quit being lazy and read the thread before you comment.