Jacob Trouba Elbow On Rodrigues (Fined 5,000 Dollars)

[MysticLeviathan]

So didn’t make contact? Got it.

intent is intent, right?

 

[Jauffre]

Oh, I was unaware we were now just throwing intent out the door. All I heard from fans is "intent, intent, intent." Now, when Rodrigues misses, it's meaningless. He missed! We can't take intent into account!

Funny, I sure recall so many on here talking about Trouba's "intent" with the Necas hit miss. Weird that we can use intent for some guys and not for others. Such utter hypocrisy at this point.

The utterly tortured logic on display here is quite impressive. Logic so tortured it should be a war crime.

We've just reached peak silly season, I guess.

Right, when Trouba missed his flying elbow on Necas (because Necas ducked a hit like a bitch which made Trouba overextend the arm and fly into the boards), it meant everything.

Now it means nothing apparently.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

intent is intent, right?

You sure would think, no?

Right, when Trouba missed his flying elbow on Necas (because Necas ducked a hit like a bitch which made Trouba overextend the arm and fly into the boards), it meant everything.

Now it means nothing apparently.

Funny how it works, right? The rank hypocrisy is just sad to see, though. I mean, you can see it right on a post-by-post basis.

"Oh, no. They found a similar hit FROM THE SAME GUY THAT GOT HIT? Well, that guy missed! Huzzah! I guess we can no longer use intent as a real method of measurement. Well. For anyone other than Trouba, anyway. Trouba is the only guy where intent is meaningless."

Just to be fully clear, I do not think that Trouba intended to elbow Rodrigues. I also do not think that Rodrigues intended to elbow Wennberg.

But if we are going to treat two essentially identical plays completely differently and then throw out the entire concept of intent only for one guy, can we even have an honest discussion? How is that anything but pure bad faith? I don't see how anyone could sit there and reason with that line of thinking.

It's rare you have such identical plays in the same game involving similar players, even. Yet one is ignored and the other is on Page 25 of a thread (no clue how many posts per page some use, but it's Page 25 for me).

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Right, when Trouba missed his flying elbow on Necas (because Necas ducked a hit like a bitch which made Trouba overextend the arm and fly into the boards), it meant everything.

Now it means nothing apparently.

How many times does Trouba have to elbow a player (or attempt to elbow a player in cases like the Necas situation) before he loses the benefit of a doubt, in your mind?

 

[Peltz]

How many times does Trouba have to elbow a player (or attempt to elbow a player in cases like the Necas situation) before he loses the benefit of a doubt, in your mind?

Until he does it after the rangers trade him. Until then, benefit of the doubt all day long

 

[Mattb124]

It is fascinating to see Rangers fans who think that what Trouba did was an intent to elbow Rodriguez in an attempt to justify equivalence, fully ignoring that Trouba actually did elbow Rodriguez. And then calling people who don't see the equivalence hypocrites. F'n amazing. Where did it all go wrong?

 

[Hunter Gathers]

How many times does Trouba have to elbow a player (or attempt to elbow a player in cases like the Necas situation) before he loses the benefit of a doubt, in your mind?

If we say Trouba had intent will you all agree Rodrigues also had intent with his hit attempt on Wennberg?

Pretty sure that's all most of us are asking for: A lack of hypocrisy on these two near-identical plays.

It is fascinating to see Rangers fans who think that what Trouba did was an intent to elbow Rodriguez in an attempt to justify equivalence, fully ignoring that Trouba actually did elbow Rodriguez. And then calling people who don't see the equivalence hypocrites. F'n amazing. Where did it all go wrong?

Same question to you.

 

[Coastal Kev]

There you are! I cannot defend the Rodrigues hit, nor many others from Trouba. He autopilots elbow follow-through on hits and missed hits. Now that players are aware he'll blast them, they side step and Trouba still sticks the elbow out. It's an awful and dangerous habit.

But you've been debunked a million times on the Crosby one.



It was just a weird collision where Crosby lost balance because Trouba basically tripped him while attempting a poke check. It all happened in the blink of an eye. Not even remotely close to some of Trouba's egregious hits. Please, there was zero intent to injure on a bang-bang play like that.

But here you are with #NeverForget to remind us about Crosby. Ya'll didn't blow a 3-1 lead because Crosby missed a game and half.

#BecauseItsTheCrosby

Congrats for the use of most words for the most obtuse post ever~

 

[DropIt]

No suspension is crazy after the the Soucy one

 

[Scema12]

How do people even defend this over and over and over again. This guy does this EVERY single playoff year, multiple times even and somehow you still have people trying to defend it not as blatant. It's crazy..

 

[TheGooooch]

That was dirty. He should sit a game.

 

[TheUnusedCrayon]

Oh, I was unaware we were now just throwing intent out the door. All I heard from fans is "intent, intent, intent."

Now, when Rodrigues misses, it's meaningless. "He missed! We can't take intent into account!"

Funny, I sure recall so many on here talking about Trouba's "intent" with the Necas hit miss. Weird that we can use intent for some guys and not for others. Such utter hypocrisy at this point.

The utterly tortured logic on display here is quite impressive. Logic so tortured it should be a war crime.

We've just reached peak silly season, I guess.

I mean the guy missed his "elbow" by about 5 whole feet.

Are you really comparing that play and thinking like a rational human being?

 

[goflyakite]

The Bennett punch on Marchand was dirtier and didn’t even get a fine so stop whining Florida. Live by the sword die by the… elbow
lol

Yep.

I’m not gonna give much attention to the people that all told me that the most obvious dirty punch by Bennett was unintentional.

Sorry Panthers fans, the precedent was set in the second round, so no suspension for this elbow shouldn’t shock you.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

he wasn’t trying to knock him into a stupor.

and hanlon’s razor is something everyone should know

“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”

point is I really don’t think he was trying to be malicious, I just think he’s a dumb and incompetent hockey player

Probably true in most facets of life.

Hockey seems to have a lot of guys who have elevated the “accidentally on purpose” play to an art form though

 

[NotCommitted]

Giving Trouba the benefit of the doubt and assuming he's not out there looking for opportunities to throw elbows at the heads of people, I gotta say it's really looking like his instinctive reaction whenever he realizes he's gonna miss the body check is to reach out with the chicken wing elbow.

 

[Siddi]

why would someone be punished for attempting and missing? Trouba is the only one here who actually elbowed someone. but hey keep being biased

Changing stance?

guy shouldnt play another game this series even if it didnt connect.

 

[HTFN]

Changing stance?

Let's play a game of context:

has any other "what about" guy done this more than once this playoffs? Does anybody still remaining in this playoffs have a more famous loose elbow?

is this what we're really calling okay just because it didn't land flush?

Does that look like an NHL hit to you?

 

[Siddi]

The refs made the wrong call. It should have been a 5 minute major and a game misconduct. Then the league that can review the play messes up even more by giving Truba a $5000.00 fine. The only conclusion that can be made here is that the league wants the Rangers in the finals and win the Cup. It doesn't matter what his intenet was, he clearly and deliberately lead with his elbow to the head of Rodriguez.

If the league wanted Rangers to win the cup they would have suspended Trouba. Rangers are much better without him on the ice.

 

[vippe]

Yeah they got that wrong - he needed to be slapped with more than a fine.

 

[Siddi]

You sure would think, no?



Funny how it works, right? The rank hypocrisy is just sad to see, though. I mean, you can see it right on a post-by-post basis.

"Oh, no. They found a similar hit FROM THE SAME GUY THAT GOT HIT? Well, that guy missed! Huzzah! I guess we can no longer use intent as a real method of measurement. Well. For anyone other than Trouba, anyway. Trouba is the only guy where intent is meaningless."

Just to be fully clear, I do not think that Trouba intended to elbow Rodrigues. I also do not think that Rodrigues intended to elbow Wennberg.

But if we are going to treat two essentially identical plays completely differently and then throw out the entire concept of intent only for one guy, can we even have an honest discussion? How is that anything but pure bad faith? I don't see how anyone could sit there and reason with that line of thinking.

It's rare you have such identical plays in the same game involving similar players, even. Yet one is ignored and the other is on Page 25 of a thread (no clue how many posts per page some use, but it's Page 25 for me).

Great post explaining exactly why I started this shitshow. I knew hypocrisy would rear its ugly head.

It is so easy to bait these clowns into straining themselves trying to win the olympic games in mental gymnastics.

 

[Siddi]

Let's play a game of context:

has any other "what about" guy done this more than once this playoffs? Does anybody still remaining in this playoffs have a more famous loose elbow?

is this what we're really calling okay just because it didn't land flush?

Does that look like an NHL hit to you?

Caps fan in here with the "thats not an NHL hit bla bla bla" Oh the irony

 

[HTFN]

Caps fan in here with the "thats not an NHL hit bla bla bla" Oh the irony

The irony is all the former pearl clutchers suddenly flipping switches to defend this.

Show me one Wilson effort that bad. Look how far his elbow is from his feet, like... holy shit. What more do you need? It's bad, and if you had any backbone or willingness to stand on this "Caps fan hypocrite" bullshit you'd 100% be burying your boy right now.

But you're not.

 

[Siddi]

The irony is all the former pearl clutchers suddenly flipping switches to defend this.

Show me one Wilson effort that bad. Look how far his elbow is from his feet, like... holy shit. What more do you need? It's bad, and if you had any backbone or willingness to stand on this "Caps fan hypocrite" bullshit you'd 100% be burying your boy right now.

But you're not.

The bolded part says it all

Reading comprehension is not you strongest attribute. The point is not defending Trouba, which I am not. Point is to highlight the hypocrisy when the exact same play occured earlier in the game which also missed the target but nobody is upset over that.

 

[HTFN]

The bolded part says it all

Reading comprehension is not you strongest attribute. The point is not defending Trouba, which I am not. Point is to highlight the hypocrisy when the exact same play occured earlier in the game which also missed the target but nobody is upset over that.

Bolded part only says I know exactly why you brought up my own personal team as if it made a point, otherwise why do it? "Oh a Caps fan of all people" angle basically means one thing, so explain the difference.

The point is that even if the same play occurred earlier, nobody's got a more famous elbow than Trouba right now and he just went for it again. Regardless of whether or not the other play is also worth discipline, looking at this in a vacuum (plus Trouba's individual demonstrations) suggests he's way more prone to this for "whatever reason" than other players and needs to be sat down for a moment, since the last time apparently didn't do much.

Maybe parking for a playoff game or two will teach him some fundamentals.

 

[Siddi]

Bolded part only says I know exactly why you brought up my own personal team as if it made a point, otherwise why do it? "Oh a Caps fan of all people" angle basically means one thing, so explain the difference.

The point is that even if the same play occurred earlier, nobody's got a more famous elbow than Trouba right now and he just went for it again. Regardless of whether or not the other play is also worth discipline, looking at this in a vacuum (plus Trouba's individual demonstrations) suggests he's way more prone to this for "whatever reason" than other players and needs to be sat down for a moment, since the last time apparently didn't do much.

Maybe parking for a playoff game or two will teach him some fundamentals.

You must be delusional if you think you can win an argument with "Show me one Wilson effort that bad". You came at me with both your hands tied behind your back dressed in a gimp suit with that argument.

Oh, I wish he would be suspended. Rangers are much better without him on the ice.