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Player Discussion Jack Quinn, RW (8th overall, 2020): Named AHL Rookie of the Year

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Jacob582 said:
For what ever reason, that has been how the team has been calling up injury replacements. They assign them to the taxi squad, and then add them to the main roster before the game.
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I can’t find a practical reason to do this so there must be something about taxi squads that I don’t fully understand. You can use a taxi squad emergency call up to avoid waivers, but it doesn’t make sense for a player that is t waivers eligible
 
BuffaloGooner said:
Pretty excited about having him, Krebs, and Samuelsson up at the same times. Just need Peterka to come back and be healthy.
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Same. Hopefully all of them give them some jump against Dallas (and Dallas is teetering right now).

As an aside, Peterka is back practicing with the Amerks. They miss his speed and ability to transition the puck up the ice. Weissbach has filled in but is a slice below JJ (not a knock on Weissbach, he's still got nice wheels that could get him NHL time in the future).
 
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Interesting that Perfetti comes out ahead in Pronman's Game Score model because Quinn has only a 49 percent goal rate and 45 percent Corsi. Perfetti only has six goals in seventeen games but rates 63 and 65 percent, respectively, for goal rate and Corsi.

[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD]Perfetti[/TD][TD]17GP[/TD][TD]6G[/TD][TD]9A[/TD][TD]15pts[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Quinn[/TD][TD]23GP[/TD][TD]16G[/TD][TD]18A[/TD][TD]34pts[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]
Does this mean he could use some more time in Roch?
 
Diaspora said:


Interesting that Perfetti comes out ahead in Pronman's Game Score model because Quinn has only a 49 percent goal rate and 45 percent Corsi. Perfetti only has six goals in seventeen games but rates 63 and 65 percent, respectively, for goal rate and Corsi.

[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD]Perfetti[/TD][TD]17GP[/TD][TD]6G[/TD][TD]9A[/TD][TD]15pts[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Quinn[/TD][TD]23GP[/TD][TD]16G[/TD][TD]18A[/TD][TD]34pts[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]
Does this mean he could use some more time in Roch?
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No. Guys who are good at scoring actual (rather than theoretical) goals always break those kind of models.
 
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tsujimoto74 said:
No. Guys who are good at scoring actual (rather than theoretical) goals always break those kind of models.
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Before I get accused of being anti-Quinn, I’m not, but can you please give me an example of great goal scorer whose possession numbers are bad? I was also curious about those numbers because in my 2 Quinn viewings he dominated possession (eye test), so the neg rel CF was surprising.
 
truthbluth said:
Before I get accused of being anti-Quinn, I’m not, but can you please give me an example of great goal scorer whose possession numbers are bad? I was also curious about those numbers because in my 2 Quinn viewings he dominated possession (eye test), so the neg rel CF was surprising.
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Ovechkin, probably. Dude never has possession of the puck
 
truthbluth said:
Before I get accused of being anti-Quinn, I’m not, but can you please give me an example of great goal scorer whose possession numbers are bad? I was also curious about those numbers because in my 2 Quinn viewings he dominated possession (eye test), so the neg rel CF was surprising.
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Honestly, you could probably pick a name from a hat. Most guys who are great at scoring goals score more of them than metrics say they should. Ovi, Laine, even Olofsson (well, last year anyway--I'm sure the numbers this season look different with how injuries have neutralized his scoring ability).
 
tsujimoto74 said:
Honestly, you could probably pick a name from a hat. Most guys who are great at scoring goals score more of them than metrics say they should. Ovi, Laine, even Olofsson (well, last year anyway--I'm sure the numbers this season look different with how injuries have neutralized his scoring ability).
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Ovi’s possession numbers are off the charts good. Laine and Olofsson’s goal numbers haven’t sustained, so I’m not sure they are great examples. Stamkos has crazy possession numbers. Who else is a legit great goal scorer? Kane? His numbers are good. Every single player I can think have that is a legit top tier goal scorer has good possession numbers. So, really I just want to hear what someone that watches most of not all America games. How could Quinn, who seems to me to be the best player on the ice, have poor possession numbers.
 
truthbluth said:
Before I get accused of being anti-Quinn, I’m not, but can you please give me an example of great goal scorer whose possession numbers are bad? I was also curious about those numbers because in my 2 Quinn viewings he dominated possession (eye test), so the neg rel CF was surprising.
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DeBrincat, Kane, Laine, Raymond, Panarin, Kreider, Zib, Batherson, Tkachuk, Norris, Tarasenko, Barbashev are some of the ones i found with 44 - 48ish CF numbers this season, though they didn't all have negative rel CF some did and some were very close.
 
FunkSoljah said:
DeBrincat, Kane, Laine, Raymond, Panarin, Kreider, Zib, Batherson, Tkachuk, Norris, Tarasenko, Barbashev are some of the ones i found with 44 - 48ish CF numbers this season, though they didn't all have negative rel CF some did and some were very close.
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Are you just looking at this year? Because single season goal scoring numbers will fluctuate a lot more than corsi.

debrincat, Kane, Panarin are all positive relative corsi for their career. Laine sucks. Raymond is pos real. I suspect I’ll find more of the same.
 
truthbluth said:
Are you just looking at this year? Because single season goal scoring numbers will fluctuate a lot more than corsi.
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Just this year, I mean the Quinn numbers are also being judged by just this year in the AHL right? Kind of defeats the purpose of saying he's a bad possession player when comparing 23 AHL games of data to an entire career for another player. Generally good teams also have good possession numbers, and bad teams do not. A player like Ovechkin is not likely to have the same CF on the Sabres as he does on the Caps.
 
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He was very good, especially in the first half of the game. I think you forget the 9-game ELC mark, who cares. I think if you keep him under 40 G it's not an accrued season to UFA, so do that. But at least for now he looks like he belongs.
 
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Glad they're giving these kids opportunities. Never liked the idea of keeping them in the AHL if they're dominating down there. That doesn't mean you stubbornly keep them up if they're struggling for a bit, but I never think it's a bad idea to reward these kids with some time in the NHL. Every one of them would tell you that's their ultimate goal is to make the show as soon as possible, and have an impact.
 
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Diaspora said:


Interesting that Perfetti comes out ahead in Pronman's Game Score model because Quinn has only a 49 percent goal rate and 45 percent Corsi. Perfetti only has six goals in seventeen games but rates 63 and 65 percent, respectively, for goal rate and Corsi.

[TABLE="class: brtb_item_table"][TBODY][TR][TD]Perfetti[/TD][TD]17GP[/TD][TD]6G[/TD][TD]9A[/TD][TD]15pts[/TD][/TR]
[TR][TD]Quinn[/TD][TD]23GP[/TD][TD]16G[/TD][TD]18A[/TD][TD]34pts[/TD][/TR][/TBODY][/TABLE]
Does this mean he could use some more time in Roch?
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Just shows how dumb that statistical breakdown is. Pronman has no clue. Didn't like him in his draft because he doesn't actually watch games.
 
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