Value of: Jack Quinn, Dylan Cozens, Jordan Greenway

[Fjordsen]

Does that not feel like kicking the can down the road more? Why not try something new for once and actually go hard in tomorrows players. Rantanen nor Marner are coming to Buffalo. EP40 is a maybe but arguably the worst contract in the league. So you get more Zucker like players who are NHL players, but not moving the needle to even being a bubble team, let alone a true contender.

You guys need holy crap prospects.

You have absolutely no idea what Buffalo needs.

 

[benfranklin]

You have absolutely no idea what Buffalo needs.

Ive been ripping every decision for a decade. If anything, im one of the few who might.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Does that not feel like kicking the can down the road more? Why not try something new for once and actually go hard in tomorrows players. Rantanen nor Marner are coming to Buffalo. EP40 is a maybe but arguably the worst contract in the league. So you get more Zucker like players who are NHL players, but not moving the needle to even being a bubble team, let alone a true contender.

You guys need holy crap prospects.

This comment is hilarious because more Zuckers (esp 1-2 of those types for the blue line) is EXACTLY what the Sabres need.

 

[CowbellConray]

Does that not feel like kicking the can down the road more? Why not try something new for once and actually go hard in tomorrows players. Rantanen nor Marner are coming to Buffalo. EP40 is a maybe but arguably the worst contract in the league. So you get more Zucker like players who are NHL players, but not moving the needle to even being a bubble team, let alone a true contender.

You guys need holy crap prospects.

We had holy crap prospects from 2013-2016, then again from 2018-2022... And when you continually put them in a losing culture where they can't be insulated, they stunt development and are dealt out into better organizations.

The Sabres are actually in the upper tier of the league in even strength play, which means when the talent on the team is even against the other team, they are pretty solid. They have had a very bad power play, and their PK was abysmal when they were without Thompson and Greenway. Now that the Sabres are healthy again, their team actually has been pretty good. What they lack is a top tier player NOW, who can come in and give Thompson and Tuch a rest on being the primary scorers.

If I'm Adams, I'm trading a package with Cozens and prospects/picks for EP. I dont think he is nearly as bad as the media is making him out to be. I'd rather swing for that trade rather than deal for another prospect who isn't good enough to not be insulated in the big leagues

 

[biturbo19]

Walinder is the only think of interest I have in vancouver

Not enough interest to get his name remotely correct it appears.

In any case, i'd say Willander is the one futures piece in Vancouver that is pretty close to "untouchable". Especially not in a deal for a guy like Quinn who is closer to a gamble on a "change of scenery" candidate than some sort of top tier blue chip impact difference-maker piece at this point.

But yeah...i don't think there's much the Canucks have that makes a lot of sense to Buffalo. Sabres are kind of tough for anyone to trade with right now though. Because they clearly want to get better now...so most futures pieces aren't going to be of interest, but old players probably don't move the needle either. Yet they're also potentially looking to trade the sort of young players with potential like Cozens and Quinn that typically net a futures deal, or are part of a deal for an older established player. Where it seems like Buffalo are trying to just swap their young players with upside for...different young players with upside who are better, or have some different styles or traits to offer.


I think any interest Canucks would have in Quinn would be contingent on Boeser being moved though. As a younger "replacement". Which...who knows what the return on that might be, but it could certainly include something that might be of interest to the Sabres.

 

[benfranklin]

This comment is hilarious because more Zuckers (esp 1-2 of those types for the blue line) is EXACTLY what the Sabres need.

Not enough interest to get his name remotely correct it appears.

In any case, i'd say Willander is the one futures piece in Vancouver that is pretty close to "untouchable". Especially not in a deal for a guy like Quinn who is closer to a gamble on a "change of scenery" candidate than some sort of top tier blue chip impact difference-maker piece at this point.

But yeah...i don't think there's much the Canucks have that makes a lot of sense to Buffalo. Sabres are kind of tough for anyone to trade with right now though. Because they clearly want to get better now...so most futures pieces aren't going to be of interest, but old players probably don't move the needle either. Yet they're also potentially looking to trade the sort of young players with potential like Cozens and Quinn that typically net a futures deal, or are part of a deal for an older established player. Where it seems like Buffalo are trying to just swap their young players with upside for...different young players with upside who are better, or have some different styles or traits to offer.


I think any interest Canucks would have in Quinn would be contingent on Boeser being moved though. As a younger "replacement". Which...who knows what the return on that might be, but it could certainly include something that might be of interest to the Sabres.

Two examples of Sabres fans where one has no idea what he is talking about and the other is spot on. Well done guys.

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

s a z

Two examples of Sabres fans where one has no idea what he is talking about and the other is spot on. Well done guys.

isnt one a canucks fan and the other is a Sabres fan?
At least that is what it looks like to me?

 

[Beerz]

Not enough interest to get his name remotely correct it appears.

In any case, i'd say Willander is the one futures piece in Vancouver that is pretty close to "untouchable". Especially not in a deal for a guy like Quinn who is closer to a gamble on a "change of scenery" candidate than some sort of top tier blue chip impact difference-maker piece at this point.

But yeah...i don't think there's much the Canucks have that makes a lot of sense to Buffalo. Sabres are kind of tough for anyone to trade with right now though. Because they clearly want to get better now...so most futures pieces aren't going to be of interest, but old players probably don't move the needle either. Yet they're also potentially looking to trade the sort of young players with potential like Cozens and Quinn that typically net a futures deal, or are part of a deal for an older established player. Where it seems like Buffalo are trying to just swap their young players with upside for...different young players with upside who are better, or have some different styles or traits to offer.


I think any interest Canucks would have in Quinn would be contingent on Boeser being moved though. As a younger "replacement". Which...who knows what the return on that might be, but it could certainly include something that might be of interest to the Sabres.

I don't think Buffalo has any interest in moving Quinn nor should they. Only way I see them moving him is as an add on for a big time player.

 

[biturbo19]

I don't think Buffalo has any interest in moving Quinn nor should they. Only way I see them moving him is as an add on for a big time player.

I mean, this is basically the crux of why it's so hard to put together any sort of deal or proposal with Buffalo right now. I understand where that's coming from...but Buffalo is wanting to package a bunch of underperforming young pieces together for a bigtime "upgrade". Pretty much every other team out there is looking to pick off individual "change of scenery" projects at softened value. There just aren't very many teams out there with "bigtime players" they're looking to move for a package of futures and underperforming young players. And the few that are potentially out there, typically have some flavour of trade protection, and very little desire to go to a perennial cellar dweller, questionably operated Buffalo franchise.


It leaves the Sabres kind of gridlocked. As one of the worst teams in the league...but stuck between trading away young players with upside for a shakeup (which has burned them in the past when they go elsewhere and flourish), or basically just running it back with more or less the same roster and just hoping that the same guys "in house" somehow miraculously turn it around. It's a bit of a no-win situation.

 

[Beerz]

I mean, this is basically the crux of why it's so hard to put together any sort of deal or proposal with Buffalo right now. I understand where that's coming from...but Buffalo is wanting to package a bunch of underperforming young pieces together for a bigtime "upgrade". Pretty much every other team out there is looking to pick off individual "change of scenery" projects at softened value. There just aren't very many teams out there with "bigtime players" they're looking to move for a package of futures and underperforming young players. And the few that are potentially out there, typically have some flavour of trade protection, and very little desire to go to a perennial cellar dweller, questionably operated Buffalo franchise.


It leaves the Sabres kind of gridlocked. As one of the worst teams in the league...but stuck between trading away young players with upside for a shakeup (which has burned them in the past when they go elsewhere and flourish), or basically just running it back with more or less the same roster and just hoping that the same guys "in house" somehow miraculously turn it around. It's a bit of a no-win situation.

Don't disagree.

 

[Petes2424]

Unfortunately Cozens is 130-140 games into his slump now, and that’s a big sticking point for anyone willing to take on his $7+ million, long-term deal. It just is, or he’d already have been dealt.

As for Quinn, also unfortunately for Buffalo, most teams have the same type of young winger they’re growing tired of not taking that next step. So his value isn’t near what fans might hope either.

So on Cozens, the Sabres are going to have a choice to make by March 7. Deal him and basically get a decent return but what many will say is underwhelming. Where you just move on, and learn a lesson not to hand out 8 year, $7 million deals to the wrong player. Happy you were able to get out from under what might end up an anchor contract real soon.

Or

Keep him and pray his 140 game slump turns around. If there’s no change to his production come this off-season, his value will plummet. Nobody’s giving any value for 2 years of underperforming.

Bottom line, the team who gets him is taking a big chance he will turn it around too. They’re not going to give away multiple prime assets, or even multiple (just under) prime assets. It would be the type of deal managers get fired over, when they just don’t work out. Imagine if Detroit sent Kasper (straight up) back in December and each player’s production remained what it’s been? Yzerman would be getting all sorts of heat.

Buffalo’s just not dealing from a position of strength here. Doesn’t matter how much Buffalo fans want to pretend differently. He’d have already been traded if that was the case.

I’m sure they have a few standing offers to think about by March 7th. Not trading him might get someone in Buffalo fired this summer. They’re just not a team who can have a $7 million player who’s not producing. Keeping him when you could have dealt him? Not cool with your owner.

 

[Mike Liut]

This Blues fan is interested in Cozens. We need a 2C until Dvorsky is ready. What’s the ask?

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

This Blues fan is interested in Cozens. We need a 2C until Dvorsky is ready. What’s the ask?

Tell us what we’d need to add to get Kyrou lol.

 

[Brett44]

Even if Cozens and Mittelstadt have similar value, I wouldn't do it.

Byram plays in the first pair and plays well, so why do we need more prospects? On the contrary, we only need hockey deals, we have a ton of prospects.

What do you think about

Mittelstadt +Ritchie + Colton + 2nd for Cozens +Quinn.

 

[Chainshot]

Unfortunately Cozens is 130-140 games into his slump now, and that’s a big sticking point for anyone willing to take on his $7+ million, long-term deal. It just is, or he’d already have been dealt.

As for Quinn, also unfortunately for Buffalo, most teams have the same type of young winger they’re growing tired of not taking that next step. So his value isn’t near what fans might hope either.

So on Cozens, the Sabres are going to have a choice to make by March 7. Deal him and basically get a decent return but what many will say is underwhelming. Where you just move on, and learn a lesson not to hand out 8 year, $7 million deals to the wrong player. Happy you were able to get out from under what might end up an anchor contract real soon.

Or

Keep him and pray his 140 game slump turns around. If there’s no change to his production come this off-season, his value will plummet. Nobody’s giving any value for 2 years of underperforming.

Bottom line, the team who gets him is taking a big chance he will turn it around too. They’re not going to give away multiple prime assets, or even multiple (just under) prime assets. It would be the type of deal managers get fired over, when they just don’t work out. Imagine if Detroit sent Kasper (straight up) back in December and each player’s production remained what it’s been? Yzerman would be getting all sorts of heat.

Buffalo’s just not dealing from a position of strength here. Doesn’t matter how much Buffalo fans want to pretend differently. He’d have already been traded if that was the case.

I’m sure they have a few standing offers to think about by March 7th. Not trading him might get someone in Buffalo fired this summer. They’re just not a team who can have a $7 million player who’s not producing. Keeping him when you could have dealt him? Not cool with your owner.

Considering the last 20 games have been a marked improvement in the underlying offensive numbers, things have started to turn around.

And thinking that Adams is going to be fired over Cozens when he's done so much to carry water in other areas for the dumbass owner implies you think the Sabres are owned by someone who would act as a traditional owner would. They aren't. That sort of logic doesn't fit with how Terry does things - he wants the yes man and considering how well that yes man has kept costs down as a whole, that likely doesn't change even if Cozens goes back to slumping.

 

[Lunatik]

For shits and giggles, let's pretend all NTC/NMCs are waived and it's made July 1st with an extension in place.

to ​	to ​
C - Dylan Cozens	D - Rasmus Andersson
D - Owen Power	C - Nazem Kadri
RW - Jack Quinn	LW/RW - Blake Coleman
C - Peyton Krebs	D - Daniil Miromanov

 

[CowbellConray]

Makes more sense if so. Only on HF are there Sabres fans, who currently have a lottery team in last place in the East thinking they know what their team needs. That entire organization and city is completely lost.

You are doing a spectacular job of making people not like you. It’s fine to disagree with the org or some posters, but this whole “I know better than you because your team stinks” it’s annoying.

 

[benfranklin]

You are doing a spectacular job of making people not like you. It’s fine to disagree with the org or some posters, but this whole “I know better than you because your team stinks” it’s annoying.

Im not here to win anyone over as a friend. Im here to talk logically about a franchise that has spent 14 years in the gutter, is currently last place in the East, and has a realistic shot at winning the lottery or worst case a top 5 pick.

Meanwhile posters are saying 2 more Jason Zuckers is what they need to be successful, or talking about buying at his trade deadline because "were so close". Like wut?!

Take the top 5 pick, do it again next year, sell everything but Dahlin and hope you get a franchise forward somewhere. This isnt hard, but they consistently keep trying sooner than they should after getting a top pick.

Yeah imagine people who actually know the team knowing the team

Your take was f***ing terrible, just take the L and move on.

Lol last place in the East, but two more Jason Zuckers make us a contender. Talk about a terrible take.

For shits and giggles, let's pretend all NTC/NMCs are waived and it's made July 1st with an extension in place.

to ​	to ​
C - Dylan Cozens	D - Rasmus Andersson
D - Owen Power	C - Nazem Kadri
RW - Jack Quinn	LW/RW - Blake Coleman
C - Peyton Krebs	D - Daniil Miromanov

Not enough quality coming to the Sabres. Add in some 1st round picks if you want that and to move Kadri's contract.

 

[CowbellConray]

Im not here to win anyone over as a friend. Im here to talk logically about a franchise that has spent 14 years in the gutter, is currently last place in the East, and has a realistic shot at winning the lottery or worst case a top 5 pick.

Meanwhile posters are saying 2 more Jason Zuckers is what they need to be successful, or talking about buying at his trade deadline because "were so close". Like wut?!

Take the top 5 pick, do it again next year, sell everything but Dahlin and hope you get a franchise forward somewhere. This isnt hard, but they consistently keep trying sooner than they should after getting a top pick.


Lol last place in the East, but two more Jason Zuckers make us a contender. Talk about a terrible take

1) the other poster mentioned two more zuckers to make them a playoff team, not a contender. The idea is to insulate the young players with true veterans, which is something they haven’t done since maybe 2017ish.

2) nothing can be looked at logically when you bash the city and the fans. Again, go after the org, not the fans. People pass over logic when they are insulted

3) if you know how easy the plan is, put together the “sell everyone but dahlin” deals that you would make. Who do they trade these guys to? Who for? Just picks? Who plays next year. Who is the GM, does Ruff stay around? Feel free to put together your plan for how to fix the Sabres when it’s so easy as you said.

4) it’s not about making friends, it’s about being cordial and not bashing the city and fans for the orgs inability

 

[Beerz]

What do you think about

Mittelstadt +Ritchie + Colton + 2nd for Cozens +Quinn.

I think i hate it.

 

[Beerz]

1) the other poster mentioned two more zuckers to make them a playoff team, not a contender. The idea is to insulate the young players with true veterans, which is something they haven’t done since maybe 2017ish.

2) nothing can be looked at logically when you bash the city and the fans. Again, go after the org, not the fans. People pass over logic when they are insulted

3) if you know how easy the plan is, put together the “sell everyone but dahlin” deals that you would make. Who do they trade these guys to? Who for? Just picks? Who plays next year. Who is the GM, does Ruff stay around? Feel free to put together your plan for how to fix the Sabres when it’s so easy as you said.

4) it’s not about making friends, it’s about being cordial and not bashing the city and fans for the orgs inability

It's best not to even engage with that one.

 

[benfranklin]

1) the other poster mentioned two more zuckers to make them a playoff team, not a contender. The idea is to insulate the young players with true veterans, which is something they haven’t done since maybe 2017ish.

2) nothing can be looked at logically when you bash the city and the fans. Again, go after the org, not the fans. People pass over logic when they are insulted

3) if you know how easy the plan is, put together the “sell everyone but dahlin” deals that you would make. Who do they trade these guys to? Who for? Just picks? Who plays next year. Who is the GM, does Ruff stay around? Feel free to put together your plan for how to fix the Sabres when it’s so easy as you said.

4) it’s not about making friends, it’s about being cordial and not bashing the city and fans for the orgs inability

1. Thats all they have done since drafting Eichel.
Bogo, Gionta, Legwand, Moulson
Franson, Okposo
Pouliot
Berglund, Hunwick, Hutton, Pominville, Sobotka
Frolik, Johansson, Simmonds
Eakin, Hall, Sheahan, Staal
Anderson, Pysyk
EJ
Zucker, Reimer

All theyve done is bring in old washed up recognizable names to try and fail to change the culture and maybe sell a couple jerseys.

2. If anything, that proves that you are ignoring logic/facts and taking emotion into it. Im bashing a couple fans here who refuse to change the pattern, not the whole fanbase. Facts are taxes, weather, econimics, etc which draw NHL players elsewhere.

3. I'd Sharks it for a few years and hope to go down the Hawks, Pens, Oilers route.

4. See 2.

 

[toddkaz]

1. Thats all they have done since drafting Eichel.
Bogo, Gionta, Legwand, Moulson
Franson, Okposo
Pouliot
Berglund, Hunwick, Hutton, Pominville, Sobotka
Frolik, Johansson, Simmonds
Eakin, Hall, Sheahan, Staal
Anderson, Pysyk
EJ
Zucker, Reimer

All theyve done is bring in old washed up recognizable names to try and fail to change the culture and maybe sell a couple jerseys.

2. If anything, that proves that you are ignoring logic/facts and taking emotion into it. Im bashing a couple fans here who refuse to change the pattern, not the whole fanbase. Facts are taxes, weather, econimics, etc which draw NHL players elsewhere.

3. I'd Sharks it for a few years and hope to go down the Hawks, Pens, Oilers route.

4. See 2.

I don't disagree and you missed about 20 more names. I do think you are confounding the problem though.

Real NHL players don't want to come to Buffalo combine that with a clown GM/Owner.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

For shits and giggles, let's pretend all NTC/NMCs are waived and it's made July 1st with an extension in place.

to ​	to ​
C - Dylan Cozens	D - Rasmus Andersson
D - Owen Power	C - Nazem Kadri
RW - Jack Quinn	LW/RW - Blake Coleman
C - Peyton Krebs	D - Daniil Miromanov

This is so insane I don't really know how I'd feel about it lol. I'd probably lean no but also I probably wouldn't hate it?

 

[benfranklin]

I don't disagree and you missed about 20 more names. I do think you are confounding the problem though.

Real NHL players don't want to come to Buffalo combine that with a clown GM/Owner.

The GM/owner dont help, but its a lot deeper than that and its not only Buffalo. The 5-10 meh cities need some sort af handicap, but I don't know the answer there.

So sadly their only option is to build through the draft. The Sabres have been notoriously bad developers of young players, but its never too late to change that.