Value of: Jack Quinn, Dylan Cozens, Jordan Greenway

[Fjordsen]

Does that not feel like kicking the can down the road more? Why not try something new for once and actually go hard in tomorrows players. Rantanen nor Marner are coming to Buffalo. EP40 is a maybe but arguably the worst contract in the league. So you get more Zucker like players who are NHL players, but not moving the needle to even being a bubble team, let alone a true contender.

You guys need holy crap prospects.

You have absolutely no idea what Buffalo needs.

 

[benfranklin]

You have absolutely no idea what Buffalo needs.

Ive been ripping every decision for a decade. If anything, im one of the few who might.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Does that not feel like kicking the can down the road more? Why not try something new for once and actually go hard in tomorrows players. Rantanen nor Marner are coming to Buffalo. EP40 is a maybe but arguably the worst contract in the league. So you get more Zucker like players who are NHL players, but not moving the needle to even being a bubble team, let alone a true contender.

You guys need holy crap prospects.

This comment is hilarious because more Zuckers (esp 1-2 of those types for the blue line) is EXACTLY what the Sabres need.

 

[CowbellConray]

Does that not feel like kicking the can down the road more? Why not try something new for once and actually go hard in tomorrows players. Rantanen nor Marner are coming to Buffalo. EP40 is a maybe but arguably the worst contract in the league. So you get more Zucker like players who are NHL players, but not moving the needle to even being a bubble team, let alone a true contender.

You guys need holy crap prospects.

We had holy crap prospects from 2013-2016, then again from 2018-2022... And when you continually put them in a losing culture where they can't be insulated, they stunt development and are dealt out into better organizations.

The Sabres are actually in the upper tier of the league in even strength play, which means when the talent on the team is even against the other team, they are pretty solid. They have had a very bad power play, and their PK was abysmal when they were without Thompson and Greenway. Now that the Sabres are healthy again, their team actually has been pretty good. What they lack is a top tier player NOW, who can come in and give Thompson and Tuch a rest on being the primary scorers.

If I'm Adams, I'm trading a package with Cozens and prospects/picks for EP. I dont think he is nearly as bad as the media is making him out to be. I'd rather swing for that trade rather than deal for another prospect who isn't good enough to not be insulated in the big leagues

 

[biturbo19]

Walinder is the only think of interest I have in vancouver

Not enough interest to get his name remotely correct it appears.

In any case, i'd say Willander is the one futures piece in Vancouver that is pretty close to "untouchable". Especially not in a deal for a guy like Quinn who is closer to a gamble on a "change of scenery" candidate than some sort of top tier blue chip impact difference-maker piece at this point.

But yeah...i don't think there's much the Canucks have that makes a lot of sense to Buffalo. Sabres are kind of tough for anyone to trade with right now though. Because they clearly want to get better now...so most futures pieces aren't going to be of interest, but old players probably don't move the needle either. Yet they're also potentially looking to trade the sort of young players with potential like Cozens and Quinn that typically net a futures deal, or are part of a deal for an older established player. Where it seems like Buffalo are trying to just swap their young players with upside for...different young players with upside who are better, or have some different styles or traits to offer.


I think any interest Canucks would have in Quinn would be contingent on Boeser being moved though. As a younger "replacement". Which...who knows what the return on that might be, but it could certainly include something that might be of interest to the Sabres.

 

[benfranklin]

This comment is hilarious because more Zuckers (esp 1-2 of those types for the blue line) is EXACTLY what the Sabres need.

Not enough interest to get his name remotely correct it appears.

In any case, i'd say Willander is the one futures piece in Vancouver that is pretty close to "untouchable". Especially not in a deal for a guy like Quinn who is closer to a gamble on a "change of scenery" candidate than some sort of top tier blue chip impact difference-maker piece at this point.

But yeah...i don't think there's much the Canucks have that makes a lot of sense to Buffalo. Sabres are kind of tough for anyone to trade with right now though. Because they clearly want to get better now...so most futures pieces aren't going to be of interest, but old players probably don't move the needle either. Yet they're also potentially looking to trade the sort of young players with potential like Cozens and Quinn that typically net a futures deal, or are part of a deal for an older established player. Where it seems like Buffalo are trying to just swap their young players with upside for...different young players with upside who are better, or have some different styles or traits to offer.


I think any interest Canucks would have in Quinn would be contingent on Boeser being moved though. As a younger "replacement". Which...who knows what the return on that might be, but it could certainly include something that might be of interest to the Sabres.

Two examples of Sabres fans where one has no idea what he is talking about and the other is spot on. Well done guys.

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

s a z

Two examples of Sabres fans where one has no idea what he is talking about and the other is spot on. Well done guys.

isnt one a canucks fan and the other is a Sabres fan?
At least that is what it looks like to me?

 

[Beerz]

Not enough interest to get his name remotely correct it appears.

In any case, i'd say Willander is the one futures piece in Vancouver that is pretty close to "untouchable". Especially not in a deal for a guy like Quinn who is closer to a gamble on a "change of scenery" candidate than some sort of top tier blue chip impact difference-maker piece at this point.

But yeah...i don't think there's much the Canucks have that makes a lot of sense to Buffalo. Sabres are kind of tough for anyone to trade with right now though. Because they clearly want to get better now...so most futures pieces aren't going to be of interest, but old players probably don't move the needle either. Yet they're also potentially looking to trade the sort of young players with potential like Cozens and Quinn that typically net a futures deal, or are part of a deal for an older established player. Where it seems like Buffalo are trying to just swap their young players with upside for...different young players with upside who are better, or have some different styles or traits to offer.


I think any interest Canucks would have in Quinn would be contingent on Boeser being moved though. As a younger "replacement". Which...who knows what the return on that might be, but it could certainly include something that might be of interest to the Sabres.

I don't think Buffalo has any interest in moving Quinn nor should they. Only way I see them moving him is as an add on for a big time player.

 

[biturbo19]

I don't think Buffalo has any interest in moving Quinn nor should they. Only way I see them moving him is as an add on for a big time player.

I mean, this is basically the crux of why it's so hard to put together any sort of deal or proposal with Buffalo right now. I understand where that's coming from...but Buffalo is wanting to package a bunch of underperforming young pieces together for a bigtime "upgrade". Pretty much every other team out there is looking to pick off individual "change of scenery" projects at softened value. There just aren't very many teams out there with "bigtime players" they're looking to move for a package of futures and underperforming young players. And the few that are potentially out there, typically have some flavour of trade protection, and very little desire to go to a perennial cellar dweller, questionably operated Buffalo franchise.


It leaves the Sabres kind of gridlocked. As one of the worst teams in the league...but stuck between trading away young players with upside for a shakeup (which has burned them in the past when they go elsewhere and flourish), or basically just running it back with more or less the same roster and just hoping that the same guys "in house" somehow miraculously turn it around. It's a bit of a no-win situation.

 

[Beerz]

I mean, this is basically the crux of why it's so hard to put together any sort of deal or proposal with Buffalo right now. I understand where that's coming from...but Buffalo is wanting to package a bunch of underperforming young pieces together for a bigtime "upgrade". Pretty much every other team out there is looking to pick off individual "change of scenery" projects at softened value. There just aren't very many teams out there with "bigtime players" they're looking to move for a package of futures and underperforming young players. And the few that are potentially out there, typically have some flavour of trade protection, and very little desire to go to a perennial cellar dweller, questionably operated Buffalo franchise.


It leaves the Sabres kind of gridlocked. As one of the worst teams in the league...but stuck between trading away young players with upside for a shakeup (which has burned them in the past when they go elsewhere and flourish), or basically just running it back with more or less the same roster and just hoping that the same guys "in house" somehow miraculously turn it around. It's a bit of a no-win situation.

Don't disagree.

 

[Petes2424]

Unfortunately Cozens is 130-140 games into his slump now, and that’s a big sticking point for anyone willing to take on his $7+ million, long-term deal. It just is, or he’d already have been dealt.

As for Quinn, also unfortunately for Buffalo, most teams have the same type of young winger they’re growing tired of not taking that next step. So his value isn’t near what fans might hope either.

So on Cozens, the Sabres are going to have a choice to make by March 7. Deal him and basically get a decent return but what many will say is underwhelming. Where you just move on, and learn a lesson not to hand out 8 year, $7 million deals to the wrong player. Happy you were able to get out from under what might end up an anchor contract real soon.

Or

Keep him and pray his 140 game slump turns around. If there’s no change to his production come this off-season, his value will plummet. Nobody’s giving any value for 2 years of underperforming.

Bottom line, the team who gets him is taking a big chance he will turn it around too. They’re not going to give away multiple prime assets, or even multiple (just under) prime assets. It would be the type of deal managers get fired over, when they just don’t work out. Imagine if Detroit sent Kasper (straight up) back in December and each player’s production remained what it’s been? Yzerman would be getting all sorts of heat.

Buffalo’s just not dealing from a position of strength here. Doesn’t matter how much Buffalo fans want to pretend differently. He’d have already been traded if that was the case.

I’m sure they have a few standing offers to think about by March 7th. Not trading him might get someone in Buffalo fired this summer. They’re just not a team who can have a $7 million player who’s not producing. Keeping him when you could have dealt him? Not cool with your owner.

 

[benfranklin]

s a z

isnt one a canucks fan and the other is a Sabres fan?
At least that is what it looks like to me?

Makes more sense if so. Only on HF are there Sabres fans, who currently have a lottery team in last place in the East thinking they know what their team needs. That entire organization and city is completely lost.