tsujimoto74
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Colorado has ~20 more goals than Edmonton. McDavid has a point on almost 60% of Edmonton's goals. That's f***ing insane. He continues to be in a tier by himself.
Jack Eichel is quietly becoming a top-5 player in the league
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Colorado has ~20 more goals than Edmonton. McDavid has a point on almost 60% of Edmonton's goals. That's f***ing insane. He continues to be in a tier by himself.
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Its not Mack's fault that the rest of his team scores more goals than Edmonton.
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Only if Mack had Rantanen and Landeskog for the full season.
I'd like to see what Mack's percent of total goals scored was when those two were out. I think it must approach 60%.
NVM: It was closer to 50% than 60%.
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I love Mackinnon but he's not as good as McDavid. Connor is insane.
Mackinnon is for sure the 2nd best forward in the league though (in my opinion). And he was extremely impressive in last year's playoffs. But I don't think that Eichel is that far behind him, especially when you consider the huge difference in the talent level of their respective linemates and supporting casts.
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I don't think Mack is as good as McDavid either. But there's less players between McDavid and Mack (I agree with you that its 1 and 2) than there are between Mack and Eichel. For this year, its not 1-2-3 (MacD,Mack,Eichel). Its McD, Mack,Drai,Marchand, Pasternak, Carlson and then Eichel.
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Yea I agree with that, we as Sabres fans are all just excited to finally have one of the leagues best young superstars. Its a nice change from years and years of doom and gloom.
And I agree that Jack isn't the 3rd best forward in the league, but he's starting to climb his way up there. He's literally winning games by himself here recently with almost zero secondary scoring and a powerplay that is something like 1 for its last 30 attempts.
I'm excited to see how the Avs develop moving forward though, I think they have the best collection of young talent in the league with Mack Rants and Makar leading the charge there. Should be a fun season for you guys.
Well I mean, if Eichel does catch up to Mackinnon this season, especially now the too avs line is back together, I don’t seem how It’s possible that Mackinnon and jack aren’t on the same tier, since Eichel has been a better point producer on teams a lot worse that score significantly less goals (points per game is higher career wise)
Because then it would be not only career PPG better it would be this season too.
Literally the only thing Mackinnon has done that Eichel (and this isn’t shade to Mack he is ahead of Eichel right now but) only thing he’s not done is hasn’t is score 97 and 99 points back go back while Eichel was on pace for 89 points last year ( and pace matters if you play 75 games which he did, it’s all but a sure thing he would of got around 90) but got 82 in 77. Also the season before when Mack got 97 pts, eich did 64 in 67, which is a 79-80 pt pace. Lost in the fact there is Eichel returned from hot one but two high ankle sprains which would effect his greatest asset, his skating. But somehow he got better...so avs fans don’t need to reply because I’ve said Mack is better but I don’t get the hole separate tier thing, buffalo was 31st that season and when Mack’s team was
30th, he got 52 points, eichels never been that low.
Mack is a night and day better player now but Rantanen remember helped Mackinnons production, as his first four seasons he sW nothing close to those numbers, but it’s not just Rantanen as proved this year (and Ben before this year everyone could tell Mack cake a long way)
But still considering all that, as I said if Eichel gets even close to Mackinnon this year, it’s kind of hard to argue Mackinnons clearly better when jack would have more productive seasons as a whole career wise and then this season. Rookie olofsson and inconsistent Reinhart aren’t Rantanen and landeskog. Not too mention Mack has kadri, buffalo barely has another center. A goalie he can count on, you can take more chances with a better goalie.
Eichels now on an 11 Game point streak with 20 points in that time. Don’t even think he’s been NHL star of the week once this year. Even though he had the second most four pt games and the most three pt games outside mcdrai.
The craziest thing about that? Dahlin hasn’t played the past couple weeks and almost all of those 20 points in all eleven games were even strength! Imagine if the PP was going or he had Dahlin like Mack had makar.
Because then it would be not only career PPG better it would be this season too.
Literally the only thing Mackinnon has done that Eichel (and this isn’t shade to Mack he is ahead of Eichel right now but) only thing he’s not done is hasn’t is score 97 and 99 points back go back while Eichel was on pace for 89 points last year ( and pace matters if you play 75 games which he did, it’s all but a sure thing he would of got around 90) but got 82 in 77. Also the season before when Mack got 97 pts, eich did 64 in 67, which is a 79-80 pt pace. Lost in the fact there is Eichel returned from hot one but two high ankle sprains which would effect his greatest asset, his skating. But somehow he got better...so avs fans don’t need to reply because I’ve said Mack is better but I don’t get the hole separate tier thing, buffalo was 31st that season and when Mack’s team was
30th, he got 52 points, eichels never been that low.
Mack is a night and day better player now but Rantanen remember helped Mackinnons production, as his first four seasons he sW nothing close to those numbers, but it’s not just Rantanen as proved this year (and Ben before this year everyone could tell Mack cake a long way)
But still considering all that, as I said if Eichel gets even close to Mackinnon this year, it’s kind of hard to argue Mackinnons clearly better when jack would have more productive seasons as a whole career wise and then this season. Rookie olofsson and inconsistent Reinhart aren’t Rantanen and landeskog. Not too mention Mack has kadri, buffalo barely has another center. A goalie he can count on, you can take more chances with a better goalie.
Eichels now on an 11 Game point streak with 20 points in that time. Don’t even think he’s been NHL star of the week once this year. Even though he had the second most four pt games and the most three pt games outside mcdrai.
The craziest thing about that? Dahlin hasn’t played the past couple weeks and almost all of those 20 points in all eleven games were even strength! Imagine if the PP was going or he had Dahlin like Mack had makar.
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That's a poor argument. A player having one season close to as good as a player that has played at that level for 3 straight isn't clearly in the same tier until he can also show that same consistency. Eichel performing better in MacK's pre-breakout seasons is irrelevant. Given Eichel's skill, age, and trajectory, it would seem likely he could continue to play at that level, but people are always going to put the more proven player clearly ahead unless the less proven player clearly outplayed him
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You intentionally forgot to mention that Mack's first season at 97 points, he did it in only 74 games.
Eichel needs to have a point per game season where he is at the VERY top to be on MacK's tier. Mack's hart candidate season (should have won), he was once pace for 110 points, which was even higher than McDavid. Do that and Eichel can be considered on Mack's tier. He still wouldn't have Mack's playoff creditials, but I'm going to let that go since his team is not as good.
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If Sabres make the playoffs he might get some votes, but I gotta think Mac and McDavid are the frontrunners. McD loses votes because of Drai, but those guys are so clearly on another level- and Mac deserves credit for beasting through a tough stretch. Lotta hockey left to be played, we'll see, I'm just happy Eich is getting respeck on his name instead of the tired "I don't like his face, coach killer" BS.
I'm a huge Eichel fan, but I can't bring myself to read JackAttack's posts because they're way too long. Anyone else find that?
Sometimes less is more.
Sometimes less is more.
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Thread was created for TheJackAttack to go paragraphs long about how amazing Eichel is lmao. Good player, elite even, but the guy will never be as elite as Mack and Mcdavid.
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Your post admits your opinion is purely based on points and not actually hockey play.
Clearly you do NOT watch Buffalo sabres. Eichel's wingers are a rookie and Reinhart.
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Still not on the level of Mackinnon or Mcdavid. Sabers been suffering through injury this year, but so has Colorado and on a higher level. Mack missing BOTH of his wingers still out and out producing him. Talented player no doubt, but he's not on the level of Mcdavid of Mackinnon. Clearly you don't watch Colorado lol. Mack has been playing with neito (a 4th liner) and Calvert (a 4th liner) and Donskoi a perennial (3rd liner) and still producing at a rate higher than Eichel.
Mackinnon elevating Donskoi, Bura, Nieto, and Calvert. I don't see how the comparison is close to be honest. These players are all on pace to double their point production with Mack. Jack is simply not doing what Mack and Mcdavid are.
You can make the argument Eichel is 10 top easily, he's just not on their level.
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Eichel is better Than MacKinnon. You know how I can tell you don't watch Eichel play? Because you say that.
Eichel elevate players on the sabres? Eichel is the sabres.
Go check out offensive advanced stats. He is first in most of the categories.
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[mod] Next highest points on the team is Olofsson and Reinhart (who are less then PPG). They have been consistent 50-60 point players ( not Olofosson but still) and the next highest forward is 11 points with Johansson. Jack is on an island and isn't lifting that team past anything Mack or Mcdavid is. Reinhart has been consistent linemates with Eichel. Mack has been through a shuffle board. Good try with the report my son.
Pin Eichel with perennial 4th line and 3rd line players and lets see how he carries a team to the playoffs.
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It was also created for dumb posts like this one. There's absolutely nothing of substance that would indicate that Eichel won't ever be as good as Mackinnon. Especially when he's already right there in terms of impact on his team and level of skill.
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Now I'm not gonna say that Eichel is better than Mack but he's close to him and if you can't see that you obviously have some bias toward him
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Mack is better until Eichel can prove otherwise.
Eichel doesn’t have a season that touches Mack’s Hart year (should have won anyways).
It’s important for people to remember that Mackinnon’s scoring explosion was a year prior to league scoring really shooting up the year after.
Eichel doesn’t have a season that touches Mack’s Hart year (should have won anyways).
It’s important for people to remember that Mackinnon’s scoring explosion was a year prior to league scoring really shooting up the year after.
Part of Eichel's charm is that the NHL announcers don't give him half the credit. I am still trying to find a reason why all of Calgary's stars imploded at the same time last year but the announcers who could add insight would only say MacKinnin MacKinnon - as if he played 60 minutes per playoff game.
I really hope you did not use 75 games cutoff to not include 107 Mackinnon pace baased on 74 games. That would be next level homerism. That being said Eichel is great and can achieve Mackinnon level for sure.
