Melkor
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Hard to imagine now that in the 2015 redraft thread there were people who legit thought Barzal is a clear cut #2 and it's not even close. Was laughable at the time and laughable today.
Jack Eichel is quietly becoming a top-5 player in the league
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Yep. Eichel is a serious elite talent. He will have many major seasons ahead of him.
I would agree; he looks like a top 10 forward so far this season. The distance between #10 and #25 is only a hot game.
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To be fair I wasn't talking about who's #3.
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He's a damn good player, always has been, always will be. In just about any non McDavid/Generational player draft he's #1 with a bullet. A big RH center with high end skating, stickhandling and shot = a franchise center.
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He's definitely better than Auston Matthews.
Where Eichel is elite in the league is controlled zone exits and entries, because of very high-end puck protection and top-end speed. He tips the ice. There hasn't historically been as much offense generated off of it as you'd expect, but you can argue teammates, and his tendency to look for them as an option first, as opposed to heading toward the opposing net at full speed all the time. That one out of 20 times where he does decide to do that, it's hard to stop.
Matthews is elite in the small game. He can get the puck and make a play with very little time or space and get a serious shot toward the net from almost anywhere in the o-zone. The puck is often on and off his tape before anyone can react and chaos follows, because that handcuffs opponents and causes breakdowns, rebounds and the like.
MacKinnon is somewhat different in that he's more of a twitchy guy like McDavid with a speed/quickness combo as the primary weapon. Eichel is more speed/power and Matthews quickness/power.
Matthews is elite in the small game. He can get the puck and make a play with very little time or space and get a serious shot toward the net from almost anywhere in the o-zone. The puck is often on and off his tape before anyone can react and chaos follows, because that handcuffs opponents and causes breakdowns, rebounds and the like.
MacKinnon is somewhat different in that he's more of a twitchy guy like McDavid with a speed/quickness combo as the primary weapon. Eichel is more speed/power and Matthews quickness/power.
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Oh not just him, there was Marner and Rantanen, CLWM even put werenski ahead at one point.
Can’t blame those people though, they’ve never watched him more then a couple of times.’
My argument for Rantanen who is still one of the best wingers in the game is, okay so if you’re saying Rantanen is better is Mackinnon better too? Okay so both are better right? Well imagine if Eichel had another player better then him on his line? Because that’s what you’re now saying Mackinnon and Rantanen have (not to mention a very underrated landeskog) How many more points? See. Both his linemates have half as many points as him this year. (ReinhArt and olofsson)
Better career points per game.
Four less points.
Better offensive zone possession Numbers (first)
Better transition numbers (first) has even skates faster then Mack when they keept track both times
20 points in a ten game point streak,
one behind Mackinnon in four point games Mack had three jack has two
Third behind mcdavid and Draisaitl in three point games with 6. And they obviously are together. Give Eichel Just Rantanen and he would be ahead.
Yeah. Sorry you don’t like that I mean if my favourite player was said to be almost on mcdavids tier and no one else was I’d want no near him ether. If he stays healthy all year he will absolutely be beside him. Don’t like it all you want and all but facts are facts jack. We know how much you watch him on altitude and all but yeah.
Prime foppa on the other hand? Different story.
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Oh ? He has averaged 98 points over the past 2 years and is getting hart consideration this year?
edit- meant to quote the guy you were replying to
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He could probably but hey Mack has been playing with Calvert/Nieto/Bura and Donskoi most of the season and yet is still outproducing Eichel despite playing with Reinhart and Olofsson which are way better than Mack's linemates. Put Mack with Rantanen the whole season and I think they're on par with McDrai.
Funny thing is that Olofsson is 17 pts shy to surpass Mack's linemates career high (5pts for Calvert and Nieto). Now Bura and Donskoi are on pace for 70pts this season playing alongside with Mackinnon. Of course they won't hit that considering that Rantanen and Landeskog are coming back soon.
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If you meant to quote me I have no clue what you’re talking about as I said Mackinnon would win the hart over Eichel. You must not have read me and the guy who said Nah interaction right? Yeah Mack’s done that the last two years, Eichel was still better before up until that stage why single out just those years (seems cherry picked) and it’s highly arguable if he had his linemates he would of been closer since he was on pace for almost 90 points last year in a full season. (Eichel was with the other linemAtes and I can’t tell you how many easy points got left on the board last year) and this year they’re literally a few points apart with Eichel dominating offensive statistics. I merely said they’re in the same group. I swear people don’t watch jack play (not necessarily you) see my username, assume I’m just a fanboy. A lot of people every year keep saying “I was convinced Eichel wasn’t this good but I was wrong.” And it’s getting more by the day. I should find this validating in a way but I don’t. I just want people to open there eyes.
Oh I definitely haven’t lost sight of the fact Mackinnon has been a one man show most of the year that’s why in the other hart threads I say he’s above Eichel and Eichel isn’t going to get any votes right now compared to him.
Not sure how I turned bullet points on didn’t mean too.
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45.2%, to be precise. As reference points, looking at a few of the other top scorers in the league, MacKinnon has gotten a point on 43.3% of Colorado's goals, Marchand on 43.6% of Boston's goals, and Carlson on 37.7% of Washington's goals.
McDavid, doing McDavid things, has registered a point on 57.3% of Edmonton's goals.
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Neither is definitely better. But at the very least it is now Matthews = Eichel. Leaf fans the last 4 years have scoffed and ridiculed this comparison. Especially in 16-17. "Oh Matthews as a rookie put up 40 goals and 13 more points then Eichel as a rookie, MATTHEWS>>>Eichel AInEC!!1!". And then even multiple seasons later Eichel still has been slightly higher ppg wise then Matthews.
Both are superstars, 90-100 point franchise centers. The difference is minuscule. Both teams are lucky to have their respective ppg+ American franchise centerman.
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Lol, the person you quoted is a Sabres fan, and I’m in total agreement. Maybe right now, at this point in the season, Eichel is is the better player since he’s beasting and there’s something weird going on in Toronto. But I think the point he’s trying to make is that fans of these 2 guys will probably ping pong with who’s the better player for their entirety of their careers, when really we should just accept that they’re 2 of the best young stars in the league.
To say that one is definitely/easily/ainec better than the other would be disingenuous.
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So you're basically arguing that Eichel is right there with McDavid. The difference in PPG between McDavid and Mack is actually smaller than the difference between Mack and Eichel. And thats with Mack playing without his wingers for most of the season.
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