Speculation: Jack Eichel cont'd

[Doug Prishpreed]

Man watching Buffalo without eichel makes me wonder if eichel really is a locker room cancer

Thousands of opinions on here about the Sabres, and I guarantee 98% of them haven't watched more than 2 Sabres games per season the past 5 years. Not directed at you specifically, you seem to be saying this somewhat sarcastically anyway.

But for those paying attention, it's clear that Eichel hasn't been the issue at all, outside of his penchant for abandoning team play, trying to do everything himself when the game starts to look hopeless (he often WAS able to carry the team to a win in those situations though, crazily enough...he goes into hulk mode sometimes and wins games on his own).

But it's Buffalo's coaches have been the biggest problem by far, some of the worst in decades. I would even say that he's a pretty good leader, though it would be better if he didn't have to be.

He parties very hard in Buffalo, which isn't a great look, and is worth noting, but it doesn't seem to affect his play as far as I can tell. But a cancer, he is definitely not.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

They're desperate, so they trade for a player that won't be able to help them until Feb at the earliest?.

If they're confident in their ability to make the playoffs without him, that might be 100% fine to Vegas. However, I'm guessing things would have to get bad for them to make that Krebs trade to begin with, so it doesn't seem very likely.

 

[IranCondraAffair]

The cancer was Kreuger. These guys have been playing uptempo (sometimes even exciting) hockey under Granato. Eichel woud've been a ton of fun to watch with him coaching.

Granato might not be the best coach in the NHL, but he's a legitimate NHL coach, which Kreuger was not.

Edit: I'll add that Granato has coached some very good teams and players, but he's been an assistant under a lot of guys and he has experience coaching younger guys (which should service him well in Buffalo). It kind of fell apart on him in Colorado, but that was a long time ago.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Granato might not be the best coach in the NHL, but he's a legitimate NHL coach, which Kreuger was not.

Edit: I'll add that Granato has coached some very good teams and players, but he's been an assistant under a lot of guys and he has experience coaching younger guys (which should service him well in Buffalo). It kind of fell apart on him in Colorado, but that was a long time ago.

Housley was equally bad, if not worse.

 

[topshelf15]

They at least look they are having fun just playing hockey...Thats a good thing,also great to see Andy there having fun with them...

 

[tsujimoto74]

Housley was equally bad, if not worse.

We've had a string of brutal coaching hires. Between Ruff and Granato, the best coach we had was probably Bylsma, which is saying something since he was also a terrible coach. Guy's idea of a breakout system was "all the forwards go stand flat-footed at the blue line and pray your D can complete a stretch pass to you, which you'll immediately turn over because of course you will, you're standing still."

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

We've had a string of brutal coaching hires. Between Ruff and Granato, the best coach we had was probably Bylsma, which is saying something since he was also a terrible coach. Guy's idea of a breakout system was "all the forwards go stand flat-footed at the blue line and pray your D can complete a stretch pass to you, which you'll immediately turn over because of course you will, you're standing still."

Bylsma was not terrible. Sabres ownership decided it was okay to let teenage players run the team. It worked out well for them.

 

[Djp]

Bylsma was not terrible. Sabres ownership decided it was okay to let teenage players run the team. It worked out well for them.

he was terrible. They did well In yr one because of young players and energy they brought. But the new car scent wore off.

 

[57special]

I thought that the Sabres should've hired Boudreau, but we'll see how Granato works out. So far they seem to be playing for him, but as the losses start to pile up it will test him, and them, more. It's easy for some of us at a remove to commit the next 3-5 years to a rebuild, but for those on the ice, especially guys who have already done it, like Girgensons ...he's got to feel like Sisyphus out there. A lot of Sabres fans have to be sick of it all, too.

 

[TommyDangles]

Not close in terms of cap and return Tuch isalso coming back.

What does on LTIR until playoffs mean to you?

 

[TommyDangles]

They're desperate, so they trade for a player that won't be able to help them until Feb at the earliest?



NJ could be a darkhorse. Subban only makes 2m actual dollars so he could go the other way to make the cap work.

They're desperate because they don't want to miss out on Eichel. They realize the current team won't do dookie in the playoffs.

 

[Baberham Lincoln]

Can anyone explain to me if Jack Eichel doesn't get traded and is unwilling to get the surgery the Sabres doctors recommend does he still get paid for not playing?

 

[57special]

Can anyone explain to me if Jack Eichel doesn't get traded and is unwilling to get the surgery the Sabres doctors recommend does he still get paid for not playing?

There is a grey area as far as surgery in the CBA. According to some reporting, the league has already told the Sabres and Eichel's representation to figure it out, as they do not want to be put in a position where they and the NHLPA end up in court disputing this. Forcing any player to have surgery against their will would be a precedent that the NHLPA would not stand for, if not the courts in general, if it went that far.

I don't see why the Sabres made such a fuss about this(if indeed they ever did...they have been quite tightlipped) Since Eichel was always going to be moved, and they will never be on the hook for the long term, or even medium term effects of the surgery.

 

[Mr Positive]

Thousands of opinions on here about the Sabres, and I guarantee 98% of them haven't watched more than 2 Sabres games per season the past 5 years. Not directed at you specifically, you seem to be saying this somewhat sarcastically anyway.

But for those paying attention, it's clear that Eichel hasn't been the issue at all, outside of his penchant for abandoning team play, trying to do everything himself when the game starts to look hopeless (he often WAS able to carry the team to a win in those situations though, crazily enough...he goes into hulk mode sometimes and wins games on his own).

But it's Buffalo's coaches have been the biggest problem by far, some of the worst in decades. I would even say that he's a pretty good leader, though it would be better if he didn't have to be.

He parties very hard in Buffalo, which isn't a great look, and is worth noting, but it doesn't seem to affect his play as far as I can tell. But a cancer, he is definitely not.

He could be a cancer in the way Tavares was for the Islanders. The player is a great person but there might be this distracting situation if he wanted off the team for a long time

Although based on quotes, the guy the Sabres needed to trade ASAP was Ristolainen. He will likely bounce back in Philly but he sounded so down on NHL experience with the Sabres. He was there for the worst of it and never saw success

 

[Baberham Lincoln]

There is a grey area as far as surgery in the CBA. According to some reporting, the league has already told the Sabres and Eichel's representation to figure it out, as they do not want to be put in a position where they and the NHLPA end up in court disputing this. Forcing any player to have surgery against their will would be a precedent that the NHLPA would not stand for, if not the courts in general, if it went that far.

I don't see why the Sabres made such a fuss about this(if indeed they ever did...they have been quite tightlipped) Since Eichel was always going to be moved, and they will never be on the hook for the long term, or even medium term effects of the surgery.

So Jack, at the bare minimum, has no monetary incentive to do anything right now. He can also just wait it out.

 

[57special]

So Jack, at the bare minimum, has no monetary incentive to do anything right now. He can also just wait it out.

Just like any injured player. You seem intent on casting aspersions at Eichel, and portraying him as lazy, or as a guy with a bad attitude, when his choice of surgery would return him to the ice sooner than fusion. What he is trying to avoid is the complications that come with fusion, both in the short term(lack of neck movement), and long(increased pressure on the neighboring discs, putting them at risk)term.

 

[My3Sons]

They're desperate, so they trade for a player that won't be able to help them until Feb at the earliest?



NJ could be a darkhorse. Subban only makes 2m actual dollars so he could go the other way to make the cap work.

Hard to see NJ gut its roster for Eichel. They have to turn a corner first. What's the point of adding him to miss the playoffs by fewer points?

 

[VaporTrail]

There is a grey area as far as surgery in the CBA. According to some reporting, the league has already told the Sabres and Eichel's representation to figure it out, as they do not want to be put in a position where they and the NHLPA end up in court disputing this. Forcing any player to have surgery against their will would be a precedent that the NHLPA would not stand for, if not the courts in general, if it went that far.

I don't see why the Sabres made such a fuss about this(if indeed they ever did...they have been quite tightlipped) Since Eichel was always going to be moved, and they will never be on the hook for the long term, or even medium term effects of the surgery.

Well, they're forcing fans to be vaccinated to watch the players, so no real difference.

 

[Scrantonicity 2]

 

[Over the volcano]

Well, they're forcing fans to be vaccinated to watch the players, so no real difference.

that’s some grade D horseshit right there

 

[Boxscore]

Is it me or are the potential suitors for Eichel drying up by the day?

The Rangers and Bruins spent their money. The Kings and Ducks look like they're about to take another step with their dynamic, young cores. This leaves teams like Vegas, SJ and Chicago left. But I don't see them offering any assets of substance for Eichel at the moment, especially Vegas who are in "win now" mode.

 

[tomd]

that’s some grade D horseshit right there

Interesting that you attack rather than calmly explain the difference...

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

People calling Eichel a Cancer.

He’s clearly a Scorpio.

 

[Over the volcano]

Interesting that you attack rather than calmly explain the difference...

Oh no, it’s a calm description of exactly what that is.

 

[Over the volcano]

So Jack, at the bare minimum, has no monetary incentive to do anything right now. He can also just wait it out.

Or wait until that NTC kicks in and then call his spot