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Nylanderthal
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Mike smith isn’t an option, we wouldn’t want him and I doubt he’d leave, even for here. Too many moving parts for a back up goalie deal. If there’s a deal with Edmonton it’s koskinen retained to match mrazek + an asset for mrazek.
Yeah sure but saving a million or not willing to give a few extra years, we can just go with Mrazek and Hutch, no problem.
Yes that would be BEST and only other option .. but remember da old saying "never send a boy to do a mans job" .. this is especially important for a playoff run .. we need another VET defensive Dman who can play in a shutdown PK role in top 4
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Pretty much what Legion said here.
Colorado wouldn't pony up for their own goalie and have other contracts to consider soon such as Byram and soon MacKinnon, to speak nothing of Burakovsky and Kadri going to UFA soon...
Toronto has been a real great fit for him with the fans and the locker room.
I don't see how Edmonton can fit him either...I bridged Puljujarvi for 2 years and still don't see it without some big changes;
Oilers would buy out Kosikenon now if they could .. Oilers coach and rest of league know he is done like dinner .. Leafs have ZERO interest
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Not saying I or the leafs do, what they’d have interest in is the assets Edmonton would give up, and indirectly would like the clean slate contract wise in net this off-season. Koskinen is just the cap ballast here.
If we have a moving part of that magnitude I think we'd take advantage to the money changing hands to open up some cap space, but if Edmonton was willing to see retaining the 700k to keep it cost neutral as a required part of the deal then it would make the 3rd party retention much smaller, and by extension cheaper. Good thought.
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I agree and let Dermott and the Swedish boys split the bottom pair.
we said the same about hyman and bunting.
Jack is great. But the bottom line is if Edmonton wants to overpay like they did for Hyman and he wants to let them. Then what?
Do we match at any cost? 6 7 8 million a year?
I think 5 x 5 would be more than fair. If he wants like 6.5 or 7 then at some point you have to let him walk
I see what you are saying, it's just that I'm more for giving him an 8 year deal, which nobody else can. I'd be good with it
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If I’m dubas I sign something like this as quick as possible
Jack campbell contract
8 year 36 million —- 4.5 avg
Year 1 signing bonus 5mil salary 4mil with a NMC
Year2 signing bonus 5 mil salary 4mil with a NMC
Year 3 signing bonus 5 mil salary3.5mil
With a NMC
Year 4 salary 3mil
With a 15 team no trade clause
Year 5 salary 2.5 mil
Year 6 salary 1.5mil
Year 7 salary 1.5 mil
Year 8 salary 1.0mil
My thinking is jack would be happy to get almost 75% of his money in first 3 years. And basically guarantees him a leaf for those three years. If for whatever reason (campbell’s play, young goalie comes up. Or leafs go into rebuild with sone of big 4 leaving for free agency) leafs can trade him for assets in year 4 or 5 and bury him in minors for remaining of his contract or trade him to team needing cheap backup (actual money owed) and needing to get to cap floor every year there are teams in this situation. To me this is a win win for everyone. Campbell stays in Toronto and doesn’t kill the leafs cap for entire 8 years. Of course if campbell wants 6 mil a year then regardless of how it’s structured leads can’t afford him. At least this way they treat him very fair in hopes he will stick around.
Thoughts?
Jack campbell contract
8 year 36 million —- 4.5 avg
Year 1 signing bonus 5mil salary 4mil with a NMC
Year2 signing bonus 5 mil salary 4mil with a NMC
Year 3 signing bonus 5 mil salary3.5mil
With a NMC
Year 4 salary 3mil
With a 15 team no trade clause
Year 5 salary 2.5 mil
Year 6 salary 1.5mil
Year 7 salary 1.5 mil
Year 8 salary 1.0mil
My thinking is jack would be happy to get almost 75% of his money in first 3 years. And basically guarantees him a leaf for those three years. If for whatever reason (campbell’s play, young goalie comes up. Or leafs go into rebuild with sone of big 4 leaving for free agency) leafs can trade him for assets in year 4 or 5 and bury him in minors for remaining of his contract or trade him to team needing cheap backup (actual money owed) and needing to get to cap floor every year there are teams in this situation. To me this is a win win for everyone. Campbell stays in Toronto and doesn’t kill the leafs cap for entire 8 years. Of course if campbell wants 6 mil a year then regardless of how it’s structured leads can’t afford him. At least this way they treat him very fair in hopes he will stick around.
Thoughts?
You can't front load a deal like that anymore, the biggest issue being that the lowest year cannot be less than 50% of the highest year but there were a number of rule changes put in to prevent this kind of structure, and if we're going 8 years the AAV has to be lower than $4.5M on a 30 year old goalie.
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8 years seems like a long time for a goalie.
The Iceman
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I like Jack
I wont like a 38 year old Jack
Or a 37
Or a 36
35 year old Jack and I are good.
Sometimes you have to say goodbye to good players when approaching 30 years old.
Said goodbye to Hyman, and we will almost for sure say goodbye to Jack for financial reasons I am ok with.
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Probably should be merged with the current Jack thread at the top of the board.
I wont like a 38 year old Jack
Or a 37
Or a 36
35 year old Jack and I are good.
Sometimes you have to say goodbye to good players when approaching 30 years old.
Said goodbye to Hyman, and we will almost for sure say goodbye to Jack for financial reasons I am ok with.
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Probably should be merged with the current Jack thread at the top of the board.
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The Iceman
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Jack is 30 in a week.
Too many dead years at the end of an 8 year agreement.
Too many dead years at the end of an 8 year agreement.
It is but there are a handful out there, as the OP has stated and I agree with, we won't be able to keep soup any other way. Somebody will offer him more over a few years (3or4) but we won't be able to compete with that AAV.
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No idea what he's thinking, has he even mentioned his contract?
Like any player if he wants too much for too long you cut ties.
Goalies are really tough, man. After 110 games, something of a picture is developing: .922, 2.33 gaa, and a colossal 32 goals saved against vs average. But the guy has only played 24 games for Toronto this season, and just 22 games last season. Seems like he's been around for a lot longer, huh? .783 quality starts this year.... really, really elite.
I really have no idea what should be done with Jack. But there definitely is not a lot of sample size to work with, and although it's overwhelmingly excellent (and the last 46 games, which he has played for the Leafs) are the best of his career. And seemingly getting better.
He's a 30 year old goalie who has never carried a starting goaltender's burden before. Even now. Again, he's only ever played a max of 31 games -- in 2018 for LA.
I do think he's going to take a team friendly deal. He is not going to f*** with the best thing that's happened to him in his career, and maybe life.
I really have no idea what should be done with Jack. But there definitely is not a lot of sample size to work with, and although it's overwhelmingly excellent (and the last 46 games, which he has played for the Leafs) are the best of his career. And seemingly getting better.
He's a 30 year old goalie who has never carried a starting goaltender's burden before. Even now. Again, he's only ever played a max of 31 games -- in 2018 for LA.
I do think he's going to take a team friendly deal. He is not going to f*** with the best thing that's happened to him in his career, and maybe life.
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That's for sure.
Hopefully he signs something reasonable. Hate to see the fan base turn on him for perceived greed.
I don't think it's greed, it's about time he collects. I just hopes he wants longevity and I hope we offer it.
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I'm starting to sound like a recording... lol! I hope we offer the long 8 years at less money per year than he can get on a 3 or 4 year deal
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