Tribute Jack Campbell Discussion Part 2

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Mrazek needs to get in a few games regardless of Campbell's status to prepare for the February schedule where he'll be *needed*, not just am option. It's a good move putting him in tonight.
Yep he needs to play for sure.
Keefe admitting he’s over played Campbell.
 
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Mrazek has the skill and enough games remaining to steal the job and I'm hoping he does. I'd rather a goalie who only sucks when injured versus a goalie whose mental strength is unpredictable and can tap out at any time unexpectedly. Campbell needs to get his head out of wherever it is right now.

We're in year 3 of covid disrupting games and the world in general, the mental burnout shouldn't be severe enough to regress him this badly. He's played enough games that the pause shouldn't have killed his motor skills this quickly. It wasn't a 5 month break like 2019. Look at Freds playoff numbers after a 5 month break, 1.84 gaa and .936% in 5 games and Jackets brought the playoff intensity too. Yet nobody is willing to give him a break for some of the softies in the Jackets series. But sure, a career backup is just rusty and needs some more games to turn back into a vezina candidate? These goals he's letting in doesn't look like rust to me. Those were good teams who just moved the puck around and got bounces that Campbell straight up couldn't track or position himself properly for. He needs to be better. No excuses. He knows it, Keefe knows it. That's it.

**The covid mental part looks like a contradiction. I'm not ruling out its mental I just dont think covid and lack of playing time has anything to do with the mental strain. If mental, it's probably because the East playoffs is forming, we're hitting mid point of the season, scrutiny increases exponentially from here on out and the pressure to perform hit him like a tidal wave. All this time off gave him the free time to over-think second half grind for a hockey mecca like Toronto.
 
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Tune in next week, when mrazek playing 2-3 games allows our mod Mess to post "Keefe has clearly lost faith in Campbell!!!! Goalie controversy!!!".

P.s. Jack has played....

....2 games in the last 10 days.
....6 games in the last 36 days.

And ranks 7th in the league with 29 games played on the season (I.e. 29 games in the last 100 days).
Keeping true to his screen name.
 
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Keefe has not been overusing Campbell. Mrazek is literally starting tomorrow. :facepalm:

Come on dude, who Keefe starting tomorrow (in the future) can obviously not support your contention that Keefe has not been overusing (in the past) Campbell. Unless you think Keefe has the ability to warp time or something? :laugh::laugh:

If anything, starting Mrazek tomorrow might mean that Keefe is thinking "maybe I've made a mistake overusing Campbell, time to play Mrazek").

Mrazek needs to get in a few games regardless of Campbell's status to prepare for the February schedule where he'll be *needed*, not just am option. It's a good move putting him in tonight.

It is. Would have been even better a few weeks ago, like as soon as Mrazek was healthy they should have been playing him more.
 
Mrazek has the skill and enough games remaining to steal the job and I'm hoping he does. I'd rather a goalie who only sucks when injured versus a goalie whose mental strength is unpredictable and can tap out at any time unexpectedly. Campbell needs to get his head out of wherever it is right now.

We're in year 3 of covid disrupting games and the world in general, the mental burnout shouldn't be severe enough to regress him this badly. He's played enough games that the pause shouldn't have killed his motor skills this quickly. It wasn't a 5 month break like 2019. Look at Freds playoff numbers after a 5 month break, 1.84 gaa and .936% in 5 games and Jackets brought the playoff intensity too. Yet nobody is willing to give him a break for some of the softies in the Jackets series. But sure, a career backup is just rusty and needs some more games to turn back into a vezina candidate? These goals he's letting in doesn't look like rust to me. Those were good teams who just moved the puck around and got bounces that Campbell straight up couldn't track or position himself properly for. He needs to be better. No excuses. He knows it, Keefe knows it. That's it.

**The covid mental part looks like a contradiction. I'm not ruling out its mental I just dont think covid and lack of playing time has anything to do with the mental strain. If mental, it's probably because the East playoffs is forming, we're hitting mid point of the season, scrutiny increases exponentially from here on out and the pressure to perform hit him like a tidal wave. All this time off gave him the free time to over-think second half grind for a hockey mecca like Toronto.

It is plausible what we just witnessed is a goalie getting lit up on a road trip against great teams...... and nothing more. Nothing to do with covid, the pause, rust etc.

To remain objective you can't rule this out.
 
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Yep he needs to play for sure.
Keefe admitting he’s over played Campbell.

Came straight from the horses mouth in his PC, and he is clearly noticing Campbell's play slipping particularly in the 3rd, but he called out the team poor defensive play in front of him.
 
I suppose so but is 7 games over 40 something days really overplaying a starter? Seems a bit of a stretch but I never played goal so I wouldn’t know.
Physically I wouldn’t think so, mentally I would think he needs a break.
 
It is plausible what we just witnessed is a goalie getting lit up on a road trip against great teams...... and nothing more. Nothing to do with covid, the pause, rust etc.

To remain objective you can't rule this out.
That's what I'm getting at. Stop looking so deep into it and making excuses or theories. The theories can be contradicted easy.

It's simple. He was given his first major test of the season and failed miserably. Thats it. Time to study harder and be better. Playoffs will be more like this road trip (the exam, if you want to carry on this test analogy lol)
 
Come on dude, who Keefe starting tomorrow (in the future) can obviously not support your contention that Keefe has not been overusing (in the past) Campbell.
I never said it did. Keefe not overusing Campbell is separate. The fact that Mrazek is starting tomorrow counters the ridiculous statement that "it appears he has little faith in his GM bosses choice Mrazek", as well as the statement wondering "if it will take an actual injury to Campbell to force change".
If anything, starting Mrazek tomorrow might mean that Keefe is thinking "maybe I've made a mistake overusing Campbell, time to play Mrazek").
It doesn't suggest that at all. There's been nothing unusual about how Keefe has been using his goalies, and there's nothing unusual about Mrazek starting tomorrow.
 
Mrazek needs to get in a few games regardless of Campbell's status to prepare for the February schedule where he'll be *needed*, not just am option. It's a good move putting him in tonight.

Yes, Leafs going forward should be developing the team, even accepting some growing pains may cost points.
It is too soon to know, but my guess is they aren't going to end up in front of Carolina or Florida.

They are 4th. in the conference (P%) today, and they've played less than half their season, so anything can happen.
 
I suppose so but is 7 games over 40 something days really overplaying a starter? Seems a bit of a stretch but I never played goal so I wouldn’t know.

Remember Campbell has never started 30 games in a season in the past, so he is already hitting that games played wall now at 29 games now and we're not even at mid season ..

That is why the Leafs were planing a 1A/1B tandem plan to address that issue.

If a person only trains for 1/2 marathon's and then decides to attempt a full marathon at double the distance, doesn't matter how many days you rest ahead of time once you hit the mid point mentally and physically you are in unknown territory and that is really what the situation is with Campbell now.

Campbell's was likely expected to play 40-45 games over a full season and not 30 in the first half. .
 
Mrazek needs to be more a platoon goaltender going forward.

You don't get sharp while rehabbing an injury, and a reasonable person wouldn't expect a goaltender to be his best after playing 4 games in 4 months, while rehabbing.

Campbell and Mrazek should be good enough. Campbell has shown what he's like when he's on his game.

They have to give Mrazek that opportunity.
 
Keefe has not been overusing Campbell. Mrazek is literally starting tomorrow. :facepalm:

Come on dude, who Keefe starting tomorrow (in the future) can obviously not support your contention that Keefe has not been overusing (in the past) Campbell. Unless you think Keefe has the ability to warp time or something? :laugh::laugh:

I never said it did. Keefe not overusing Campbell is separate. The fact that Mrazek is starting tomorrow counters the ridiculous statement that "it appears he has little faith in his GM bosses choice Mrazek", as well as the statement ondering "if it will take an actual injury to Campbell to force change".

Sure you did. Your post is at the top in case you've already forgotten what you said. :)
 
They have to give Mrazek that opportunity.

This was always going to happen.

Campbell was never going to stay at .935 all year. The schedule was never going to stay as spaced out as it's been.

Mrazek was always going to play plenty of games this year.
 
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Sure you did.
No, I didn't. I made two statements addressing two separate claims within the original post. One was addressing the incorrect claim that Keefe was overusing Campbell. The other was addressing the incorrect claim suggesting that Keefe has little faith in Mrazek and it would take an injury to Campbell for Mrazek to start.
 
No, I didn't. I made two statements addressing two separate claims within the original post. One was addressing the incorrect claim that Keefe was overusing Campbell. The other was addressing the incorrect claim suggesting that Keefe has little faith in Mrazek and it would take an injury to Campbell for Mrazek to start.

Why do you think it's an incorrect claim to say Keefe is over using Campbell?

We all know why Campbell's work load has been so heavy and no one is blaming Keefe, the winning results speak for themselves. But playing in 29/37 games pro rates to 63 games, which is the rate the Leafs were using Freddy Andersen in 2017 and 2018 - which was not ideal and cited for the reasons why Andersen struggled late in season. Campbell has never done this before and has had injury issues in the past.

Obviously the Leafs have plenty of time to course correct and get more mileage out of a healthy Mrazek and a more sustainable goalie split.
 
Why do you think it's an incorrect claim to say Keefe is over using Campbell?
Because he hasn't been overusing Campbell. Campbell has had normal spacing in his starts, he's never started back-to-back, he's tied with 5 other goalies for 6th in GP, and he's 7th in TOI. The only time he's struggled is when he's played less due to Covid-related league/team pauses.
no one is blaming Keefe
I think we can all see that's not true.
 
If Soup was still putting up Vezina quality starts, the way the schedule is for Feb. It has to be tandem so we will know all by March 1st.
 
I believe the Leafs goal is to win the division and Soup gives them the best chance. Another mistake that might cost them in round #1. But there is a silver lining if they lose in round #1. The end of Shanny and Kyle.
I keep seeing this bandied about as if it’s some kind of fact. I wouldn’t hold my breath
 
Why do you think it's an incorrect claim to say Keefe is over using Campbell?

We all know why Campbell's work load has been so heavy

What makes you say his workload has been "heavy"?
 
I keep seeing this bandied about as if it’s some kind of fact. I wouldn’t hold my breath

Win a round and everybody wins. Lose and we'll find out. So far I believe Kyle remains to be extended.

But seriously, if the core 4 suck again, do you want the guy who bet his job on them at the helm? I will sure as hell will have seen enough of his flawed vision.
 
Win a round and everybody wins. Lose and we'll find out. So far I believe Kyle remains to be extended.

But seriously, if the core 4 suck again, do you want the guy who bet his job on them at the helm? I will sure as hell will have seen enough of his flawed vision.

As opposed to someone who agreed with the fans who said the Leafs would be better spending Nylander's money on grinders?
 

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