Tribute Jack Campbell Discussion Part 2

[Stephen]

For games played? Not sure that even makes sense?

Relative to his peers he's tied for 6th-10th in the league in games played, despite unlike many other goalies not missing any games to struggles or any games to injury. And with a nice weeks-long break in the middle there too.

Why wouldn't it make sense? Even if he's tied for 6th to 10th this year among NHL goalies, he personally hasn't played more than 53 pro games in one season ever, and his career high in NHL games is 31. If the Leafs keep using him at the rate they have been, we get a sense of where he's going to end up by seasons end.

I'm not saying he's breaking down to the point of total physical exhaustion, but is he pacing himself like a Vasilevskiy, Hellebuyck when he's playing at his Vezina caliber? Or is he sprinting like a 100 m runner in a 400 m race? In any case, hopefully Mrazek can give us some reliable games and with a little more rest we can keep Campbell at a Vezina rate over and have him start around 50 for us.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Sure you did.

No, I didn't. You assumed that both of my statements in the post were addressing the same point, but they were not, and that has been explained to you multiple times now. I will explain this one more time, very clearly, so there is no confusion or continued misrepresentations from you.

My statement "Keefe has not been overusing Campbell." refers to the fact that Keefe has not been overusing Campbell, and is in response to the statement "Based on Jack Campbell's over usage by coach Keefe".

My statement "Mrazek is literally starting tomorrow." refers to the fact that Mrazek is starting the game against the NYI, and is in response to the statements "it appears he has little faith in his GM bosses choice Mrazek" and "Wonder if it will take an actual injury to Campbell to force change".

The second statement was not used to support the first statement - it was addressing something else entirely.

 

[Voodoo Child]

I don’t think it’s the workload as much as it’s the effect of the lull.

Mrazek also seriously needs some reps.

Even as I think it’s perfect; teams should play 9 games in three weeks (2-3-4, 3-2-4 etc,.) and even with holidays and a week off for the ASG you could still run the season October 5-April 18.

Jackie probably needs to have a rhythm going, as most of them do. He has had a few stretches of human play (out west last March, early this year, now, sort of), but he’s always bounced back.

One thing Freddy frequently did that we haven’t seen much from Jackie is the bad goals at bad times, and I don’t think he slumped as bad as Freddy did.

I don’t think he wins the Vezina, as much as I want it for him, but he’s top-5 and still will command major dollars.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Sign another platoon type and share the net between them and mrazek.

that’s nightmare scenario

 

[Gary Nylund]

No, I didn't. You assumed that both of my statements in the post were addressing the same point, but they were not, and that has been explained to you multiple times now. I will explain this one more time, very clearly, so there is no confusion or continued misrepresentations from you.

My statement "Keefe has not been overusing Campbell." refers to the fact that Keefe has not been overusing Campbell, and is in response to the statement "Based on Jack Campbell's over usage by coach Keefe".

My statement "Mrazek is literally starting tomorrow." refers to the fact that Mrazek is starting the game against the NYI, and is in response to the statements "it appears he has little faith in his GM bosses choice Mrazek" and "Wonder if it will take an actual injury to Campbell to force change".

The second statement was not used to support the first statement - it was addressing something else entirely.

Seems clear that you did. But if you insist that's not what you meant to say then you just expressed yourself poorly, no big deal.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Seems clear that you did. But if you insist that's not what you meant to say then you just expressed yourself poorly, no big deal.

It's very clear that I didn't, and I expressed myself perfectly fine. You just made an incorrect assumption about my post.

 

[Havoc]

Covid disruption was best case scenario for Campbell if he needed a quick breather to collect himself. Even Keefe said Campbell has barely played lately because of "the schedule being what it is".

As for second half of the season, Keefe is already on it: "We just feel it is important to get Petr back in again. He hasn't played a lot. He is an important part of our team. We need to get him in our net and get him some reps here. We are certainly going to need him as the calendar turns to February."

So whoever tried to make up drama that Keefe has no faith in Mrazek so will run Campbell into the ground.....shaddap.

 

[Gary Nylund]

It's very clear that I didn't, and I expressed myself perfectly fine. You just made an incorrect assumption about my post.

You clearly did and I made no assumptions, your words speak for themselves.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You clearly did and I made no assumptions, your words speak for themselves.

My words do speak for themselves, so stop trying to misrepresent what my words say. I quoted a post that featured two separate claims, and I addressed those two claims with two separate sentences that each very clearly referred to one of those two separate claims within the original quote. You came along and falsely accused me of using one of the sentences to support the other, when I clearly did not do that. I provided additional clarification to you multiple times, including a very thorough explanation seen here:

No, I didn't. You assumed that both of my statements in the post were addressing the same point, but they were not, and that has been explained to you multiple times now. I will explain this one more time, very clearly, so there is no confusion or continued misrepresentations from you.

My statement "Keefe has not been overusing Campbell." refers to the fact that Keefe has not been overusing Campbell, and is in response to the statement "Based on Jack Campbell's over usage by coach Keefe".

My statement "Mrazek is literally starting tomorrow." refers to the fact that Mrazek is starting the game against the NYI, and is in response to the statements "it appears he has little faith in his GM bosses choice Mrazek" and "Wonder if it will take an actual injury to Campbell to force change".

The second statement was not used to support the first statement - it was addressing something else entirely.

All of my posts were perfectly clear, so your confusion was not a result of me not expressing myself clearly.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Do. Not. . Engage

 

[Gary Nylund]

My words do speak for themselves, so stop trying to misrepresent what my words say. I quoted a post that featured two separate claims, and I addressed those two claims with two separate sentences that each very clearly referred to one of those two separate claims within the original quote. You came along and falsely accused me of using one of the sentences to support the other, when I clearly did not do that. I provided additional clarification to you multiple times, including a very thorough explanation seen here:

All of my posts were perfectly clear, so your confusion was not a result of me not expressing myself clearly.

Your meaning seemed pretty clear to me no how much you protest that you had something else in mind. Whatever, I think we've exhausted this subject so I'll just leave you with this:

The lady doth protest too much, methinks - Wikipedia

 

[Mess]

Jack Campbell has give up 18 goals in his last 4 starts on this road trip = 4.5 GA/g on a season 2.24 GA/g average.

Because he played in 29 of 37 games at the time then his dramatic decline in play reasonably could be deducted as potential burnout from overusage, knowing he has never played in more 31 in a full season.

If the game plan on the season was a tandem 1A/1B splitting the load then the expectation was both goalies would play in approx 40 games each.

Campbell 29 of 37 games = 78% of games played with 45 games to go = +35 more starts = 64 games of 82 (expected 40) = + 20 games overusage above expected.
Woll played 4 games of 82
Hutchenson 2 games of 82
So that leaves
Mrazek (expected to play 40) to play 12 games of 82 on the season= > 28 games underusage. Leafs did not play to play Mrazek 12 games this year for $3.8 mil.

So are we going to see the workload of Campbell pulled back or will the current pacing play out as above based on projecting?

 

[keonsbitterness]

You guys need to get a room.

 

[zeke]

Jack Campbell has give up 18 goals in his last 4 starts on this road trip = 4.5 GA/g on a season 2.24 GA/g average.

Because he played in 29 of 37 games at the time then his dramatic decline in play reasonably could be deducted as potential burnout from overusage,

Reasonably deducted?

He had played 6 games in 35 days.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Because he played in 29 of 37 games at the time then his dramatic decline in play reasonably could be deducted as potential burnout from overusage,

Except for the fact that his only real slump this season coincided with him having barely played for a month.

Your meaning seemed pretty clear to me no how much you protest that you had something else in mind.

My meaning was very clear. What's unclear is how you came to this incorrect interpretation of my post, and why you're repeatedly protesting that you know what that post means better than the literal author of that post.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I know they won tonight I don't care.

Ever since the blown 4-1 lead against Colorado Jack Campbell has been letting in softies every single night.

The Leafs have blown 6 leads of 3-1 or better and I know the weak minds will say "it's the defense."because how dare we be critical of goaltending, the goalie is above criticism.

But no, the reality us Jack Campbell has been bad for the last couple weeks.

He let in 2 softies tonight in both the 1st and 2nd goal.

2 against Colorado including the winner, the other being the Rantanen goal where he was looking in a different direction.

The 2nd Rangers goal after Sandin blocked the original shot.

I know Jack Campbell is a god to some of you I get it but his play the last 2, almost 3 weeks now, including tonight has not been good enough.

I don't know if he's hurt, I don't know if something is off mentally but his play should be a concern.

Because the Jack Campbell before the blown 4-1 lead against Colorado doesn't blow 6 leads of 3-1 or better in the last 7 games.

But this Jack Campbell does.

Something isn't right.

 

[Mattfan02]

I know they won tonight I don't care.

Ever since the blown 4-1 lead against Colorado Jack Campbell has been letting in softies every single night.

The Leafs have blown 6 leads of 3-1 or better and I know the weak minds will say "it's the defense."because how dare we be critical of goaltending, the goalie is above criticism.

But no, the reality us Jack Campbell has been bad for the last couple weeks.

He let in 2 softies tonight in both the 1st and 2nd goal.

2 against Colorado including the winner, the other being the Rantanen goal where he was looking in a different direction.

The 2nd Rangers goal after Sandin blocked the original shot.

I know Jack Campbell is a god to some of you I get it but his play the last 2, almost 3 weeks now, including tonight has not been good enough.

I don't know if he's hurt, I don't know if something is off mentally but his play should be a concern.

Because the Jack Campbell before the blown 4-1 lead against Colorado doesn't blow 6 leads of 3-1 or better in the last 7 games.

But this Jack Campbell does.

Something isn't right.

First goal wasn't soft, Engvall scored on his own net, not much you can do when ur own player banks the puck off his Spezza

 

[wingman75]

Highs and lows? Not really possible to sustain the level of play he was at... also, do not think he will sustain this lower level of play. He will sit somewhere in between, which realistically is all the team needs.

I mean, 7-3 in his last 10 but 5 of those games with a goals against average over 4! 6 of those games with a save percentage under .900!

I feel the team as a whole has been playing some shite defence.

Tonight vs the Ducks, PP got greedy and let an odd man rush happen... I do think that is a stoppable shot though. 3rd goal was weak coverage by Dermott in front, and a tip that worked out well. First goal was just dumb (luck)... not sure who clears the puck back into a dangerous area, but regardless just a weird bounce. Cannot say he played bad, probably wanted that 2nd one back and was solid in the shootout.

I don't think he is injured. I am going to reserve my over reactions for February when the schedule gets heavy.

To your point, I think when all is said and done, he does need to be better than his recent play if the team is going to have success in the playoffs.

 

[Stringer Bell]

And what are we as fans to do about it? What’s the point of the thread? It’s why we signed Mrazek and not Hutchinson as our back up.

 

[stickty111]

If you think Campbell was going to keep up a .940, then you may need to reassess. He hasn't been good lately but his play was going to dip eventually, you need to relax OP.

 

[AvroArrow]

Soup has sucked bad this month, it's actually concerning.

 

[Dominance]

I mean, did anyone really think he was suddenly a top-10 goalie in the league? Campbell gives me a lot more confidence that he won’t actively lose the team games going into the playoffs than Andersen did, and that’s all that really matters to me.

 

[wingman75]

And what are we as fans to do about it? What’s the point of the thread? It’s why we signed Mrazek and not Hutchinson as our back up.

Yup! I think management did what they needed to do to ensure we have a capable goaltender regardless of who is in net. Hopefully Petr can build from his last game. Jack does have to be better though.

 

[Kiwi]

If you think Campbell was going to keep up a .940, then you may need to reassess. He hasn't been good lately but his play was going to dip eventually, you need to relax OP.

There's one hell of a difference between .940 and whatever this is

He's also not been in this situation that often in his career

If you aren't concerned you probably should be

I'd play Mrazek 50% of the time from here on in

 

[Martin Skoula]

Jack plays good: Dubas made a mistake not signing him to an 8 year deal! Mrazek was a mistake!!

Jack plays bad: When are we going to get a real goalie???