Proposal: J.T. Miller to TOR

[Edgelord]

I'd love to hear what "better player" you could get for that package, I really would.

Hertl, Giroux, Malkin lol

 

[Sundinisagod]

So leaf fans are offering the best of the pieces that they don't need, then are refusing to take into account that they aren't pieces Vancouver needs either, then gets all defensive when Vancouver passes.

If it isn't based around a C or RHD, then there is no deal.

Leafs absolutely need Sandin and won’t be trading him for an upgrade at forward. We could use our 1st as well, considering we haven’t had one in a while. I don’t think Miller fetches more than Eichel did.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

there’s plenty of good assets a rebuilding team would be interested in, if you can get your head outta your ass about who the team is sending the offer.

The players offered don't really fit our team need, soo we should just accept them because the leafs may offer them up, you understand team need right? Also I could give two shits whether the Leafs are making the offer, I'd say the same no matter what team was offering those type of players.

But I have my head up my ass......

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Hertl, Giroux, Malkin lol

You think Hertl and Giroux are better? and is Malkin even up for trade or did you just throw that in and not think I'd notice?

 

[Leaf Fans]

Oh is it that hard to come up with a player? Hmmmm maybe because there isn't one? Yahhhh that feels more accurate. That was my point.

No, it is not that hard. I gave you the tools to figure things out by yourself. I know that you have derfered to me as an expert, and I kind of understand why you would think that. However, I am just a regular poster like you. I gave you the tools and I am certain you can learn to think for yourself then there is no need for your deference to other posters. Besides, surely you can think of a few players better than JT Miller who is a good player.

 

[Edgelord]

You think Hertl and Giroux are better? and is Malkin even up for trade or did you just throw that in and not think I'd notice?

Giroux is a better player and Hertl is close enough. Both those guys can be had for the package mentioned. You guys have gone over board with your expectations. Your expecting an Eichel level return

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

No, it is not that hard. I gave you the tools to figure things out by yourself. I know that you have derfered to me as an expert, and I kind of understand why you would think that. However, I am just a regular poster like you. I gave you the tools and I am certain you can learn to think for yourself then there is no need for your deference to other posters. Besides, surely you can think of a few players better than JT Miller who is a good player.

So as I thought, you got nothing.

 

[Edgelord]

but the last thing I want to do is get into player valuation arguments with Canuck fans, I still have PTSD from the Luongo thread lol

 

[Nylanderthal]

The players offered don't really fit our team need, soo we should just accept them because the leafs may offer them up, you understand team need right? Also I could give two shits whether the Leafs are making the offer, I'd say the same no matter what team was offering those type of players.

But I have my head up my ass......

Your team stinks and you need good players all over the ice, the players your team is going to need in a few years is going to be different the holes you have now in the line-up. Teams like Vancouver who need to hit the re set button shouldn’t be cute about what position these prospects play. Plus if you desperately need a RHD draft one with either the pick you own or the pick you obtain.
If that’s the best value then you take it, regardless of perceived “fit”

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Giroux is a better player and Hertl is close enough. Both those guys can be had for the package mentioned. You guys have gone over board with your expectations. Your expecting an Eichel level return

Giroux was a better player, guess you haven't watched him lately, Hertl is a farcry. I expect a return of players that we actually need, not redundant players. Leafs fans as usual don't get that

 

[Leaf Fans]

So as I thought, you got nothing.

No, now we both have the tools to figure things out.

 

[Hoglander]

Leafs absolutely need Sandin and won’t be trading him for an upgrade at forward. We could use our 1st as well, considering we haven’t had one in a while. I don’t think Miller fetches more than Eichel did.

That's "injured" Eichel, plus I don't really care what eichel got. The whole point is to trade Miller to upgrade on an organizational weakness, and Toronto doesn't have a centerpiece that fits.

 

[I am Canadian]

It’s not a bad offer. It just doesn’t really check off the boxes of what we really need at this point in time.

That's fine, it doesn't make sense to trade Miller in the first place. The scenario where he moves would be on him requesting the move imo. Which would decrease his value

 

[Sundinisagod]

That's "injured" Eichel, plus I don't really care what eichel got. The whole point is to trade Miller to upgrade on an organizational weakness, and Toronto doesn't have a centerpiece that fits.

You may not care what Eichel got, is that because reality is a biatch?

If choosing to ignore what other players fetched recently, then how do we go about estimating a player’s realistic value?

 

[Jojalu]

It's a credible effort in the sense that I can see that you are trying to offer legitimate value instead of just dumping prospects you hate and cap eaters.

With that said, it doesn't fill our needs at all. We are a small team, we don't need a Nick Robertson in a trade for a power forward.

Sandin looks fairly promising, but he is a small LD (I believe) which we have a surplus of, and Kerfoot is again a small player. With that said, Kerfoot is fast and we could use some speed so if the other parts worked Kerfoot would be fine.

I think Vancouver would be very disappointed if we don't find an offer that is better value and more fitted to our needs. But again, it's a credible offer.

I completely agree with you. Value wise I believe it to be fair, but if Van is looking for RHD it will not work.

That being said, Rutherford may not be on board with what Canuck forum fans want.

I wish Miller was coming to the Leafs but I don't see how

 

[Jojalu]

You think Hertl and Giroux are better? and is Malkin even up for trade or did you just throw that in and not think I'd notice?

Giroux is. Hertl no. Malkin for sure is. No chance he is available.

Miller is easily the 2nd best player available this year if Giroux is also going.

If not, he should be the prize.

I still think Vancouver would be crazy to trade him. You will spend the next 10 years looking for a Miller.

 

[seanlinden]

Nobody's championship window stays open as long as they would like to think it does. That is one thing that has always rung true in sports. If a team feels they are a JT Miller away from going on 2 cup runs in the next two years, mortgaging a piece the future may make a lot of sense. Not going all in does not guarantee that you get better chances down the road, as team dynamics, performance, strength of competition and luck all play into it.

Forsure... especially at 50% retained bringing him to be a $2.6m forward that hover around a point per game.

That being said, I don't think the Rangers see themselves in that position just yet. They're too young. They haven't seen enough of out of Lafrieniere & Kakko yet. They likely view Schneider as a guy who over the next 2 years will solidify himself as guy capable of being a top 4physical presence for a super-cheap rate, likely elevating their 3rd pair behind Trouba & Fox.

While I'm sure they'd love to add a guy like Miller, I think they're more likely to be willing to spend a bit of money, and get a guy with 3-4-5 years of term... whereas a lot of the value Miller will likely bring is that Vancouver can retain.

Very fair points. From the NYR perspective, they do have Fox-Trouba(who’s going to be there at least 2 more seasons)-Lundqvist.

So they are indeed trading from a position of massive strength.

I totally get the quantity point you’re saying and perhaps your right. I just think we’re 2-3 years away from being yearly contenders

Honestly, the Canucks are in a seemingly impossible position, IMO. They have a young core (Pettersson 23, Boeser 24, Horvat 26, Garland 25, Hughes 22, Demko 26); but they are for the most part "developed", especially up front. Their defence, outside of Hughes, is a little bit of a mess. OEL & Myers are capable defencemen, but have huge cap hits. To rebuild around prospects doesn't make a ton of sense -- they're going to run out of runway with Pettersson.

As crazy as it sounds, I think they should probably be in the Jacob Chychrun sweepstakes... or maybe a guy like Jake DeBrusk. Somebody who's young and can "join" their core.

Heck, maybe you do a 3-way deal.... Toronto gets Miller @ 50%, Vancouver gets Chychrun, Arizona gets Robertson & Liljegren, futures, and a guy like Ritchie

 

[Bettman Returnz]

That's fine, it doesn't make sense to trade Miller in the first place. The scenario where he moves would be on him requesting the move imo. Which would decrease his value

It makes sense if you get the sense he won’t resign. Would be crazy to not at least consider moving him at peak value. See how the next month or so plays out I guess.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

So leaf fans are offering the best of the pieces that they don't need, then are refusing to take into account that they aren't pieces Vancouver needs either, then gets all defensive when Vancouver passes.

If it isn't based around a C or RHD, then there is no deal.

Sandin is 100% an important piece for Toronto.

I think Dubas would put all of his other prospects/young players up for trade before giving up Sandin.

I get the Canucks might have different needs but the OP didn't make a 'spare parts' offer. It's very good value (overpayment in fact) with the team's best U-22 player, a top prospect, 1st rounder, and 40-50 point winger.

It would net a quality player from a team that does have a need for wingers and LHD.

 

[settinguptheplay]

It not hard to figure out. Just think of the players who are better than Miller and you should be able to figure it out using logic. Now McDavid is a much better player than Miller, but that package would fail to get him that is the reason for logic.

Sorry... This comment just made me laugh. Like... wtf are you talking about? The guy asked you to name a player better than JT Miller that the Toronto package would get. And you return with this word salad about a player the package would not get? Huh? You completely mind F'd me. Congrats.... and thank you in some weird and twisted way.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Sorry... This comment just made me laugh. Like... wtf are you talking about? The guy asked you to name a player better than JT Miller that the Toronto package would get. And you return with this word salad about a player the package would not get? Huh? You completely mind F'd me. Congrats.... and thank you in some weird and twisted way.

No, you have just miss-understood. What I gave the poster was the tools to figure it out. He doesn't need me to do it for him. It is obvious that the massive over-payment that the package ( Sandin + Robertson + Kerfoot + Leafs 1st ) that was the offer for Miller would get better players than Miller. That poster doesn't need a list nor do you.

 

[patriotfan]

Offer would easily be beat, I honestly don't see the leafs as a good trading partner here.

i suppose you want mathews included, have at it hahahah

 

[patriotfan]

Too many pieces, Not enough quality. Pretty awful

you want mathews and marner as well, give it up already

 

[patriotfan]

So Sandin a late 1st and a bunch of nothing and you want them to retain.

this almost sounds fishy it must be a havnot fan with this comment........i rest my case

 

[patriotfan]

Quantity trash for Quality? No thanks

what quality, miller quality give your head a shake buddy he is a good player but no worth no where near that offer, oh my god