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Nanaki
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As much as I hate to admit it, I have to give credit to AV for Miller's play. A lot of people here were upset about his usage to this point, but I wonder if he gets here without AV.
Hopefully his usage of McIlrath results in something similar, though JT was never so consistent as McI has been.
Hopefully his usage of McIlrath results in something similar, though JT was never so consistent as McI has been.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
I think it goes back to what was said during the last year or two about J.T. deciding what kind of player he wants to be - even AV mentioned it at some point.
Miller made the decision and ran with with, now he's being rewarded with results.
Miller's always been one of my favorite prospects, though I pegged him as more of a 15 goal, 35-40 point player. If he can be more of a 25 goal, 50 point player, even better.
Now if only Kreider can tap into the 30 goal, 60 point potential I still feel is in there.
Leetch66
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He will play in the dirty areas and has an edge . With increased ice time his numbers and responsibilities will rise . We need the other kids to take that next step . If that happens....our forwards will be fine without Nash . His ice time I always figured would be better served amongst a few other guys . These guys are like racehorses...they need to run .
Machinehead
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Saw something a little concerning today. He's shooting almost 20%.
Previous annual totals: 4.6%, 6.5%, 10.9%.
Nobody shoots 20%.
Previous annual totals: 4.6%, 6.5%, 10.9%.
Nobody shoots 20%.
CommaSynapse
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A lot of his shots have been high-percentage ones. I think that pushes his percentage up a lot. It's like he's taking good shots and not missing on those opportunities. It'll probably go down, but it could also suggest that he could also stand to shoot more, too.
silverfish
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He's shooting 32% since January 10th.
Some silver lining to that though, is that Nash is shooting 0% since January 10th, and they have the same amount of shots.
Gotta believe that pucks that stop going in for Miller start going in for Nash... right?
RangerLifer
Formerly known as Captain Lindy
RangerLifer
Formerly known as Captain Lindy
Nash stinks. His wife needs to have another baby to get him scoring goals again. I am not sure how loyal his wife is to the NY Rangers.
he's scoring at a goal per game pace in the past 9 games of course he's not going to keep that up and of course he's shooting hot. I think the hope is that he's going to overall average out to scoring better than he was at the beginning of the season but not as hot as he currently is
KingDeathMetal
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Obviously he isn't going to continue this and become an 82 goal scorer, but the important thing for me is that JT is asserting himself like he's a our top winger, and having a very big effect on games even when he's not scoring. Basically doing all the things we need to see to know that he really is blossoming into one of our best forwards, and maybe he'll be good for 25-30 goals?
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
I don't recall that all.
I think there was a lot of gnashing of teeth about Miller especially.
I love how the numbers and the tales keep growing this season.
If Kreider puts it all together next year, I can't wait for the "95% of this board wanted to trade him for a bag of pucks and a pizza" or "This board hated him last year."
You don't remember cause you like a lot of poster chose to forget the foolishness that gets posted about young players
Go back and look it's not hard to do
silverfish
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I'd still trade Miller before a lot of other people on the Rangers.
I'm not hard to find.
Come at me, bro
I'm not hard to find.
Come at me, bro
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
On the contrary, I think I've always been pretty consistent about both Miller and McIlrath.
As for other posters, I think the vast majority wanted the kids to succeed and were waiting to see what would happen.
Are there vocal factions that did not believe in Miller and McIlrath? You bet.
But does that represent 90 percent of the posters on here? Not by a long shot.
All of us have a tendency to remember opinions that are opposite of ours. We do so, because frankly, on some level, they kind of piss us off.
But we also have tendency to multiply that number in our heads until one day we turn around and convince ourselves that "nobody got it but me." In doing so we often paint large clusters of people with a broad paint stroke that's simply not accurate.
Take that for what it's worth, or don't. It's your choice. But I'll say flat out that I don't find your statement to be accurate.
NYR Viper
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Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Make no mistake, they were there.
But what do we have, about 200 active, semi-active posters/participants on here?
You're going to tell me that 180 of them wanted these guys gone?
Or was it that people who DID want them gone were particularly vocal and posted a hundred times on the topic?
That's a big difference.
And I'm saying that as a person who was not keen on the idea of trading them. So I'm not even defending my own point of view on this matter.
Revel
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Lost of folks wanted to trade Mcilrath, though some of us wanted the kid to get a fair shake. Those of us who wanted the best for him are feeling a bit of vindication at the moment, that's for sure.
JT:
If you go through this thread, the only major backer of JT since the season began has been Rust. I give him props for his patience. Ras also seemed to have made a post calling for a big year from JT. As for the rest of us, I think we've been back & forth on JT...because JT's game was so back & forth in it's own right. We knew what he could bring, but we were also wary that he would ever put it together. Now that we're getting the consistency and "complete" game from JT (physicality, shot, & playmaking)...we're on board with JT.
Maybe I'm speaking for myself more than everyone else, but I admittedly occasionally had him in a trade proposal, and at other times wanted to keep him due to his inexpensive contract and high ceiling.
Anyway, gota love what JT is doing. He's one of the last guys you'd want to unload right now.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Define support?
Are we talking "The kid's going to make, he'll be fine."
Or are we talking "The kid has the potential, but he hasn't put it together and he needs to do X,Y, and Z if he wants to make it."
I ask because I'm seeing a growing trend over the last year that we're trying to put people's opinions of prospects into black and white categories. In doing so, we run the risk of making it where someone is either all in on a kid, or they're against him.
A lot of people, probably the vast majority are going to fall into the "The kid has the potential, but he hasn't put it together and he needs to do X,Y, and Z" if he wants to make it" category.
And I think we also need to distinguish between who are "open" to trading someone, versus those who are actively campaigned for a trade.
A good example right now is "Girardi/Staal" and "Kreider".
A lot of people actively want to trade Girardi and Staal. Most people don't actively want to trade Kreider, but they're not completely oppossed to it if the right deal were presented.
I just think we're getting way too presumptuous on some of these topics.
Are we talking "The kid's going to make, he'll be fine."
Or are we talking "The kid has the potential, but he hasn't put it together and he needs to do X,Y, and Z if he wants to make it."
I ask because I'm seeing a growing trend over the last year that we're trying to put people's opinions of prospects into black and white categories. In doing so, we run the risk of making it where someone is either all in on a kid, or they're against him.
A lot of people, probably the vast majority are going to fall into the "The kid has the potential, but he hasn't put it together and he needs to do X,Y, and Z" if he wants to make it" category.
And I think we also need to distinguish between who are "open" to trading someone, versus those who are actively campaigned for a trade.
A good example right now is "Girardi/Staal" and "Kreider".
A lot of people actively want to trade Girardi and Staal. Most people don't actively want to trade Kreider, but they're not completely oppossed to it if the right deal were presented.
I just think we're getting way too presumptuous on some of these topics.
Revel
Dark Sky Enthusiast
I never used the word support, but I get where you're going and I'm cool with it.
Are we talking about McI here or Miller? Which one do you want me to expand on?
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
For the sake of this thread, probably Miller.
McIlrath was definitely more polarizing on here than Miller.
But Miller especially, I remember people being very torn on because they could clearly see the potential.
His up and down play was frustrating and I recall a lot of comments about consistency and how AV seemed to have it out for him.
But any time a trade was mentioned, there was always that sense of hesitation with Miller.
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HatTrick Swayze
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[NHL][/NHL]While we're on the subject, I consider having a nuanced opinion that is updated as new information becomes available to be a sign of intelligence.
In 2016 that just means you don't get retweeted.
In 2016 that just means you don't get retweeted.
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