J-Bo gets the call
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I just don't get it.
LadyJet26
LETS GO BLUE!!!!!
I don't see what people are whinning about. J-Bo has proven he can play in high level internation competition. Phaneuf played what? 2 WJC's? J-Bo played in 3?, a world championship, and a world cup. As much as I'd love to see Phaneuf in the Olympics, J-Bo has more experience and is a similar defenseman to Niedermayer. Phaneuf is going to be part of the 2010 games and I'd rather see him play his first olympics at home then games in which I have to get up at 6:30 in the morning.
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And Scott Niedermayer isn't an offensive defenseman. There's a reason why he's won the Norris trophy. He's an unbelieveable defense defenseman too.
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And Scott Niedermayer isn't an offensive defenseman. There's a reason why he's won the Norris trophy. He's an unbelieveable defense defenseman too.
I agree that Phaneuf is out producing Bouwmeester. However, like I said earlier Bouwmeester plays simliar to Niedermeyer. Both are great skaters and both make a great first pass. IMO Bouwmeester's first pass is better than Phaneuf's.Psycho Papa Joe said:
Bouwmeester gets the nod over Boyle because of the experience. Moreover, Bouwmeester has played extremely well when he has played for Canada.
that 'Niedermeyer's role' argument doesn't fly because, though a huge loss, it's not like Canada is offensively challenged, or lacking in puckmoving players. Which is why McCabe belongs nowhere near the team, Canada isn't offensively challenged and can't afford to waste spots on one-dimensional players. You don't draft based on role, you draft based on the best player available. The same principle applies here, and the best player available is Phaneuf.
Phanuthier said:
This homerish comment just made me laugh. Phaneuf is a damn rookie, and he doesn't deserve to go to Turin at all. Wait till 2010, Flames homers.
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In his rookie year, Phaneuf is going to score more goals then Regehr has in his career. I can't think of a single situation that they couldn't use a Phaneuf. The only hit against Phaneuf is experiance and age, other then that, there isn't a role he couldn't replace on the team. Physical play? Check. Offense? Check. Shot from the point? Check. Offensive vision? Check. Defensive play? Check.canucksfan said:
and what's to say Phaneuf won't play even better? It's a hell of a lot more likely that'll happen than Phaneuf collapsing and playing terrible because he's a mere rookie.
yeah, damn rookies ain't no good! Damn rookie that's dominating the best division in hockey and a top defenceman on one of the top-2 defences in the league. Damn rookie that's showed zero signs he wouldn't step up to the pressure and play brilliantly.
Moreover, with Hamrlik out, I'd say Phaneuf has been our No 1 defenseman. Regehr has been solid, but Phaneuf is such a dynamic player and a threat all over the ice.sehnsucht said:
Saying Phaneuf isn't any good, because he's a rookie is like saying Ovechkin is useless.
sehnsucht said:
Team Canada doesnt use this principle imo.
Your argumentation does not hold any water and Draper is on the team as a proof you are wrong.
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With that been said, it should be like you described it... up to a point.
J-Bo isnt a bad choice however, he's young and smooth skater. He have already shows he bring the best he got in international plays so i wont complained about this pick. McCabe however...
sehnsucht said:
Which is why Dan Boyle should be on the team. Canada has made it clear, at least to me, that they are looking for some experiance, so that eliminates Phaneuf. Boyle should have gotten the nod over J-Bo. This is a player who has zero goals this year.
Ask any Tampa fan that is familiar with me, I am not a Boyle fan by any means, but he was hosed here.
hossy316
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Metallian said:
You just never fail to amaze me. McLaren!! Wow, glad you're not on Gretzky's staff.
Prucha goes down for the Czechs and they add Elias.
Niedermayer goes down for Canada and we add...Bouwmeester.
I have a bad feeling about this tournament. We'll get to the medal round for sure (the Italians, Swiss and Germans will see to that) but the Russians and Czechs are going to be right with us. We haven't taken our best team. Read: Bertuzzi, Foote, Blake, Draper...
Niedermayer goes down for Canada and we add...Bouwmeester.
I have a bad feeling about this tournament. We'll get to the medal round for sure (the Italians, Swiss and Germans will see to that) but the Russians and Czechs are going to be right with us. We haven't taken our best team. Read: Bertuzzi, Foote, Blake, Draper...
As I've stated in other threads, my pick would have been Boyle. He's an excellent puck-moving defenceman, skates well and can QB the point on the power play. He was the top defenceman on a Stanley Cup champion, and was Canada's No. 2 at last year's Worlds. (After Redden). But his production has fallen dramatically since Canada's Oly team was named, so that might have been a factor.
But Bouwmeester is a fantastic blend of size and speed. He makes a strong first pass out of the neutral zone. Very few defencemen have been named the best of the World Championships as a 19-year-old. Two gold medals at the Worlds, one World Cup title. He won't replace Niedermayer (you can't replace your best and most successful defenceman), but he excels at some things that Niedermayer excels at. Not my first pick, but he'll do fine.
I thought Phaneuf would be named to the Taxi Squad, but that's okay. He's a special defenceman, one of the best to come along in over a decade. He'll have many opportunities to play for Canada.
As for Scott Hannan, he's still an excellent, rock-solid defensive defenceman, but there were already a couple d-men like him on the squad. If Foote or Regehr was out, he'd have gotten the call.
But Bouwmeester is a fantastic blend of size and speed. He makes a strong first pass out of the neutral zone. Very few defencemen have been named the best of the World Championships as a 19-year-old. Two gold medals at the Worlds, one World Cup title. He won't replace Niedermayer (you can't replace your best and most successful defenceman), but he excels at some things that Niedermayer excels at. Not my first pick, but he'll do fine.
I thought Phaneuf would be named to the Taxi Squad, but that's okay. He's a special defenceman, one of the best to come along in over a decade. He'll have many opportunities to play for Canada.
As for Scott Hannan, he's still an excellent, rock-solid defensive defenceman, but there were already a couple d-men like him on the squad. If Foote or Regehr was out, he'd have gotten the call.
hossy316
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Pronger - Regehr
Blake - Bouwmeester
Redden - McCabe
I will not complain! Still very capable of leading Canada to another Gold.
Blake - Bouwmeester
Redden - McCabe
I will not complain! Still very capable of leading Canada to another Gold.
hossy316 said:
You just never fail to amaze me. McLaren!! Wow, glad you're not on Gretzky's staff.
McLaren has more grit, and unlike Jay, has a + rating
Foote? He was the best defenceman at the World Cup 18 months ago. Put a Team Canada jersey on him, he's a completely different player. One of our best player in international competition, ever.Hemsky4PM said:
Bertuzzi? He hasn't produced consistently for about three years now. But watch the Vancouver/St. Louis series from 2003, and Bertuzzi's physical play and forechecking. The St. Louis defenders were hearing footsteps every time he was on the ice. Only time an offensive forward has scored one goal, and been his team's MVP in a series.
Blake? You don't want a guy with a Stanley Cup, a World Championship and a gold medal? Not the force he once was, but he can still quarterback a power play, and throw some of the best open-ice hits in the game.
Draper? Name me a better defensive centre in the game. 'Nuf said.
The Czechs will be tough. Really tough. No major weaknesses. Defence corps isn't as strong as other teams, but they are anchored by a brilliant 1-2 punch in goal and they play a strong defensive system they're on. Keep in mind they're able to add a player like Elias because of his previous health/endurance concerns, not because of supreme depth. He'd have been one of their first forwards named in December. Your argument isn't credible.
The Russians? Lots of offensive brilliance, but defensively? They won't be able to get the job done.
Psycho Papa Joe
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The part that makes no sense here is that experience means absolutely nothing at all in short tournaments like this. Nothing.
Hockeyfan02
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Hemsky4PM said:
Different circumstances. Elias wasn't on the Czech roster because there were still questions about him returning and how effective he would be when he did return. Elias would have been on that team if he had been healthy at the time they were picking their roster.
Macman
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Yeah, Bouwmeester, what a bum. 
The guy's tremendous. He has excelled -- not just played well, but excelled -- internationally. Are people forgetting he was named the top defenceman at the world championships as a 19 year old? And I'm not talking about the world juniors.
What's he won? How about two world championships and a World Cup and he's what, 22?
The guy's tremendous. He has excelled -- not just played well, but excelled -- internationally. Are people forgetting he was named the top defenceman at the world championships as a 19 year old? And I'm not talking about the world juniors.
What's he won? How about two world championships and a World Cup and he's what, 22?
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