Value of: J Anderson (50% retention for 2 more years)

[habsfan44]

Not much talk about Anderson trades these days but I can see it picking up, as we get closer to the TDL. Lebrun quote: I do think teams will call the Habs again about Anderson.

No idea how aggressive teams would get but I can see some solid offers being made. Big boy that skates well and can play physical. Seems to have stablized himself in a 3rd line role and a great penalty killer.

Not a terrible trade idea , just a year too early . Correction , should have said a couple of years too early , next year is a big maybe .

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Anderson at 50% won't even return a 3rd. Yeah, sure buddy

In your defense, Anderson at 50% for a 3rd round pick is more likely than that Dach for Nemec trade you suggested last week.

 

[Eegs]

In 2025?

Both big bodies who skate really fast and rarely actually do anything to impact the game. Anderson sucks

Anderson 113 hits
Engvall 15 hits

You can dislike the player, but your comp makes no sense.

Anderson also has more than twice as many points and PKs almost 2 min per game whereas Engvall hasn't PK'd once yet.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

In 2025?

Both big bodies who skate really fast and rarely actually do anything to impact the game. Anderson sucks

 

[Habs Halifax]

Not a terrible trade idea , just a year too early . Correction , should have said a couple of years too early , next year is a big maybe .

I honestly don't think our management was shopping him like fans were. Would the Habs make this move? Maybe, maybe not... depends on what is being offered. Any fan saying teams don't want Anderson are reaching IMO.... especially at 50% retention

Lebrun said a few weeks back that he knows teams will call again. A big body that skates well and raises his game in the playoffs. Finally in a stable 3rd line role playing the PK very well. Yeah, I'm with Lebrun on this... teams will call. Probably won't pay our asking price but they would like to add a piece like this who is not a pure rental.

Anderson 113 hits
Engvall 15 hits

You can dislike the player, but your comp makes no sense.

Anderson also has more than twice as many points and PKs almost 2 min per game whereas Engvall hasn't PK'd once yet.

There are not many guys that can skate like Anderson and has his size. He's underrated for sure and I was just curious to see of other fans changed their mind on him with a growing cap to come. It don't appear they have changed their minds so I think we are happy to keep him and see if we can flip him later. This is not about not liking Anderson. This is about him not fitting our 5+ window

 

[eojsmada]

Anderson has been playing better, this year, but I'm not convinced that rental teams are calling about him. If anything I think San Jose and Chicago might be calling because they want big body fast skating forwards to play alongside their talent. Would think Anderson would be a good replacement for Hall in Chicago and then they can flip him, when the time comes.

Otherwise, I would think Montreal would wait until next year to sell him off to the rental market.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

LOL, of course not. All Habs players are untouchable according to Habs fans.

You’re literally in a thread started by a Habs fan about trading a player so this makes 0 sense

 

[Fjordy]

Samuelsson for Anderson

 

[StreetHawk]

LeBrun is a shill for Hughes. Everyone knows that and here is LeBrun again embarrassing himself for his Habs access.

He’s a 30 point player making $5.5m for 2 years after this one. Habs retain 50% and maybe get a 4th if they find a sucker.

$5 mill next season and $3.5 mill the last season left in terms of real money. Makin $7 mill this season.

Unless the Habs need the retention spot, might be better to cut bait with him soon. Probably an off-season move.

 

[Habs Halifax]

$5 mill next season and $3.5 mill the last season left in terms of real money. Makin $7 mill this season.

Unless the Habs need the retention spot, might be better to cut bait with him soon. Probably an off-season move.

We are not desperately trying to move him. It's just a simple value thread in terms of what fans would pay if we offered him at 50% retention. And yes, that won't be cheap.

We have one retention spot left and that was assumed to be free for Savard (heading into this season) but Savard does not have much gas left. Two retention spots open up after this season ends (Allen and Petry). See, Habs fans are not that unreasonable? We know Savard's value is not good but I guess you won't trust us with Anderson at the same time? Not saying you in particular

Like others have said, we can wait it out and we are happy having him in the meantime.

 

[japhi27returns]

My god some of my fellow Habs fans have a hard time understanding the game.

Anderson plays PK, is big, fast and physical. 25-30 points probably this year, double digit goals. Beat up Trouba and Wilson and is a legit heavyweight. The room loves him. Montreal has zero cap issues, in fact has one of the better cap positions in the league going forward, and a bunch of expiring UFA’s. And a full prospect pool and stacks of picks.

Why would THAT team trade THAT player? It as stupid as it comes.

Whenever a Habs fan says that Anderson could be had for cheap, you can ignore that guy, he doesn’t hockey very well.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Anderson plays PK 1

Link?

is big, fast and physical.

Doesn't matter if it causes him to break down even more each season, on top of the ~12 games he is already likely to miss.

25-30 points probably this year, double digit goals.

30 points isn't worth a lot in today's NHL. That was around 285th in league scoring last year.

Beat up Trouba and Wilson and is a legit heavyweight.

He has two fights this regular season. Again, not worth anything.

Whenever a Habs fan says that Anderson could be had for cheap, you can ignore that guy, he doesn’t hockey very well.

Yeah so about that...

 

[Bond]

Won’t be worth it for the Habs unless they need that cap space. Should have taken that 1st LeBrun said they turned down years ago lol

 

[pld459666]

Let's think of it this way.

What role is the acquiring team looking at him to fill??

3rd/4th liner with some PK ability?

Is that worth 2.75 per for two more years?

You get a 3rd team involved to take another 50% of the 2.75 and now you're on to something

 

[pth2]

I'd expect him to be dealt for a Carrier type: mid level, percieved as somewhat overpaid, in the age bracket where potential isn't a factor but still young enough to add continuity to the team for 2-3 years with a possibility of extending if he's a good fit.
Could be a F or a D. Maybe a RD to replace Savard?

 

[japhi27returns]

Link?



Doesn't matter if it causes him to break down even more each season, on top of the ~12 games he is already likely to miss.



30 points isn't worth a lot in today's NHL. That was around 285th in league scoring last year.



He has two fights this regular season. Again, not worth anything.



Yeah so about that...

285th is less then ten forwards per team, so top 9. He’s played 52 games this year and 78 last year. He has played 100 minutes in the penalty kill. About 30 seconds per game less then PK1. So you got something right, congrats.

And there aren’t many fights in the league, period. Fact remains when the gloves come off he is incredibly tough.

So let’s recap. He produces at a top 9 level, kills penalties, is fast and physical, and is a great guy in the room. That guy, to some of you, isn’t even worth a 4th with 50% retention.

Get it together fellas, less posting, more hockey watching is my recommendation. You’ve lost the plot if you can’t see any value in a player like Anderson.

 

[TS Quint]

$5 mill next season and $3.5 mill the last season left in terms of real money. Makin $7 mill this season.

Unless the Habs need the retention spot, might be better to cut bait with him soon. Probably an off-season move.

No point in getting him if you are a bad team getting something to take him, I don’t think that’s going to be much of a conversation for Habs fans here. If you are a good team cap space is at a premium.

This probably comes to a conclusion of LeBrun “reporting” that Hughes turned down a 1st to keep him again.

 

[japhi27returns]

Anderson 113 hits
Engvall 15 hits

You can dislike the player, but your comp makes no sense.

Anderson also has more than twice as many points and PKs almost 2 min per game whereas Engvall hasn't PK'd once yet.

It is absolutely fascinating how eager posters are to demonstrate they know nothing about the two players they are comparing.

 

[TS Quint]

I’ll throw out an Anderson favorable comparison of Namestnikov who the Jets got for a 4th rounder. Both are/were a little injury prone. Names was at $2.5m at the time of the trade.

 

[Golden_Jet]

In 2025?

Both big bodies who skate really fast and rarely actually do anything to impact the game. Anderson sucks

No, Comparing Engvall and Anderson is a joke comparison, were you just looking for satire. One plays physical, the other is charmin soft.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I’ll throw out an Anderson favorable comparison of Namestnikov who the Jets got for a 4th rounder. Both are/were a little injury prone. Names was at $2.5m at the time of the trade.

...next compare cherries with Fire Engines cuz they're both red...

 

[biturbo19]

I think there'd be some interest at max retention. He is still a big body who can skate and would be a good fit on a rugged bottom-6 line that isn't counted on too heavily for offensive production. He can also function a little bit as a standalone piece, without top quality creative/skilled linemates.


The problem i see, is that the "interest" would still be fairly limited in terms of the acquisition cost teams would be willing to pay for that, even at half price for multiple years. To the point where, i don't know that the return would be worth the Habs tying up a valuable retention slot for three years...just to get a mid pick or mediocre prospect. There are probably better, more valuable uses for that retention slot. Including just acting as a "cap intermediary" on a deadline deal or similar. Retaining down on guys like Evans, Savard, Armia, etc. and then being free to retain down again on someone else at next year's deadline.

 

[Halakitlikethat]

GMs of playoff teams would be drooling over this guy at 50% retained. Not saying they’d get a boatload for him but there would be teams that want him for sure. He’s what you want in the bottom six in the playoffs.

 

[Halakitlikethat]

LOL, of course not. All Habs players are untouchable according to Habs fans.

In reality, he's an injury-prone forward who struggles to get 30 points in today's league. He's also so amazing at the PK that Montreal doesn't even use him on their first unit.

Most GMs wouldn't give up a 3rd for this player even at 50% retention.

Anderson has been good on the PK this year. They also have 2 guys in Evans and Armia who are also good PKers on the first unit . Are you saying teams put bad PKers on their second unit?

 

[VeteranPresence]

285th is less then ten forwards per team, so top 9.

Okay? Why is that worth more than a 3rd or equivalent prospect again?

He’s played 52 games this year and 78 last year.

He averages 67 GP a year.

He has played 100 minutes in the penalty kill. About 30 seconds per game less then PK1. So you got something right, congrats.

Evans averages 3 SH minutes/game. Armia is at 2:42. Dvorak is at 2:31. If Anderson was so awesome at the PK, he wouldn't be under 2 minutes (and 45 seconds shy of the first unit).

And there aren’t many fights in the league, period. Fact remains when the gloves come off he is incredibly tough.

How is this valuable again?

So let’s recap. He produces at a top 9 level, kills penalties, is fast and physical, and is a great guy in the room. That guy, to some of you, isn’t even worth a 4th with 50% retention.

Historically it's not worth much more than a 3rd, no. Nick Bonino (19 points in 59 games, 2:14 SH TOI/G) went for a 5th and 7th in 2023. Nick Bjugstad (23 points in 59 games, 2:10 SH TOI/G) went for a 3rd and prospect that same deadline. Gustav Nyquist (22 points in 48 games, 1:44 SH TOI/G) was traded for a 5th. Namestnikov in 2022 (25 points, 1:37 SH TOI/G) went for a 4th.

Those are a whole lot of comparables, none of which justify asking for more than that.