Player Discussion: Ivan Provorov

[MFRONE]

Since the news of Provorov wanting an 8 year deal he’s played 3 of the worst games of the season in the past week. Just trade him as soon as possible

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Since the news of Provorov wanting an 8 year deal he’s played 3 of the worst games of the season in the past week. Just trade him as soon as possible

For the record, it is SPECULATION he's looking for an 8 year deal.

Nobody has confirmed as such and anyone who has said as much is just assuming because that is what most players in his situation are looking for.

 

[joybang]

My preference would be TDL move with Provorov and use the assets when possible to target a better player. No real interest in signing him for 7 years let alone 8.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Provorov at 8 years (37yo at contract's end) + Severson at 6 more years (37 at contract's end) does not = a sound strategy for a long term competitive team defense.

Trade him at the TDL and have no regrets.

 

[Forepar]

Since the news of Provorov wanting an 8 year deal he’s played 3 of the worst games of the season in the past week. Just trade him as soon as possible

Whether the reported desire for an 8-year deal and the recently observed poor play are related or coincidental, who knows !?
I have no idea what the analytics say, but the eye test supports your thesis! Provy is fighting the puck and struggling to find the right d-zone exit. I’m still of the opinion Provy is better fit (and slightly better player) than Severson but Severson’s unmovable contract and handedness makes it highly likely Provy gets moved at the TDL - and that moving him is the right move. Wish it wasn’t, I like him on our 2nd pair, but not if we’re going to have $15M tied up in two 2nd/3rd pair D for the next 7-8 years.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Provorov has done exactly what was expected of him from a roster/organizational standpoint, which is to provide a buffer against the young guys having to play early or log more minutes than they were ready for. (The fact that Jiricek has been traded doesn't change the initial intent, to give us legit NHL defenseman we could deploy.)

Let's not make it any more than that. Let's not ruin the successful strategy with a new one likely to fail.

 

[joybang]

Whether the reported desire for an 8-year deal and the recently observed poor play are related or coincidental, who knows !?
I have no idea what the analytics say, but the eye test supports your thesis! Provy is fighting the puck and struggling to find the right d-zone exit. I’m still of the opinion Provy is better fit (and slightly better player) than Severson but Severson’s unmovable contract and handedness makes it highly likely Provy gets moved at the TDL - and that moving him is the right move. Wish it wasn’t, I like him on our 2nd pair, but not if we’re going to have $15M tied up in two 2nd/3rd pair D for the next 7-8 years.

Advanced analytics for Provorov are poor. YMMV whether that’s something you want to put a lot of stock into or not. But they’re not good.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Provorov at 8 years (37yo at contract's end) + Severson at 6 more years (37 at contract's end) does not = a sound strategy for a long term competitive team defense.

Trade him at the TDL and have no regrets.

yeah zero interest in that or in paying him more than $7m aav which sure seems like where this is going.

waddell's not going to rush into anything, but provorov's struggled a bit lately and i'd be looking to make a move sooner than later. in an ideal world, they're able to move him and flip the assets for someone who fits longer-term like k'andre miller. i've seen some speculation about owen power as well, would love to get him if he's available.

 

[Xoggz22]

And I want them to win Stanley Cups in the future.

I think they can make moves to keep the focus on both.

 

[alphafox]

At this point I think you have to do something to help Fantilli using Provy. Tossing him back to a line with Sillinger or Zar is not where the future of the franchise (fingers crossed) needs to be, you have to find a partner for him and KJ and if that is the cost for Provy then so be it.

 

[VT]

I think 4 years would be ideal.

At this point I think you have to do something to help Fantilli using Provy. Tossing him back to a line with Sillinger or Zar is not where the future of the franchise (fingers crossed) needs to be, you have to find a partner for him and KJ and if that is the cost for Provy then so be it.

We have Johnson, Chinakhov, Jenner. Fantilli has partners. Also LDBB can play wing.
And d-men are more important then wingers.

 

[alphafox]

I think 4 years would be ideal.

We have Johnson, Chinakhov, Jenner. Fantilli has partners. Also LDBB can play wing.
And d-men are more important then wingers.

Other than KJ I don't view any of those as players that could take Fantilli's game to the next level. Jenner may help as someone to go into corners and dig pucks out but he lacks skill and speed. Chinakov is on the IR list to often and I think LDBB has the capacity to be a really good Center so I would rather have him centering the the third line and learning the role (I suggested in another thread moving on from Sillinger for help as well, I think a package of Proverov and Sillinger could bring back a roster player with star upside from someone like Dallas or Minnesota.)

That being said I think it is undeniable that the D needs an upgrade to compete. I just don't see a real long term upgrade available in season and with Provy wanting 8 years I feel like we are better off getting the return we can for him rather than being locked into his and Severson's contracts for the long haul.

 

[VT]

Other than KJ I don't view any of those as players that could take Fantilli's game to the next level. Jenner may help as someone to go into corners and dig pucks out but he lacks skill and speed. Chinakov is on the IR list to often and I think LDBB has the capacity to be a really good Center so I would rather have him centering the the third line and learning the role (I suggested in another thread moving on from Sillinger for help as well, I think a package of Proverov and Sillinger could bring back a roster player with star upside from someone like Dallas or Minnesota.)

Two centers in the line is a very good thing. Besides, LDBB doesn't have the physical play of Sillunger, who is the ideal third line center.
Many write that Provorov is a mediocre defenseman. If that's true, we won't get a quality player for him. And trading a center is not a good idea.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

This article is about Severson, but this part did catch my eye:

Just at face value, the Blue Jackets need a player with such a long-term contract to be a reliable, significant part of their lineup. Beyond that, they may need to rely on Severson more heavily down the stretch this season depending on how the NHL trade deadline plays out on March 7.

The Blue Jackets have had contract talks with veteran defenseman Ivan Provorov, a pending unrestricted free agent, who has switched the right side of the second pair to accommodate Mateychuk. GM Don Waddell has had talks with Provorov’s agent, Mark Gandler, about an extension, but it’s unclear if there’s a deal to be made.

The Blue Jackets would like to keep Provorov on a short-term contract. But Provorov is at an age — he turned 28 earlier this month — when most players hope to sign a seven- or eight-year contract.

There could be a middle ground in all of this. Waddell, who has plenty of salary cap space, could offer Provorov a short-term deal with a salary that’s above his market value to entice him. In fact, there is a very specific precedent for this.

On July 1, 2023, 31-year-old defenseman Dmitry Orlov was expected to land a big-ticket as a UFA — one pretty comparable to Provorov, actually. But instead of landing a monster contract, Orlov signed a two-year deal worth $7.75 million per season with Carolina.

Orlov’s agent? Mark Gandler. Carolina’s GM? Don Waddell.

Damon Severson’s return to form could be crucial for Blue Jackets’ stretch run

The veteran defenseman has gone back to basics with his game over the last three weeks.

www.nytimes.com

Never really considered that.

Would people here be okay with a 2-3 year deal for 7-8.5 million for Provorov?

 

[Jovavic]

I'd be fine with that, our cap won't have issues for quite a few more seasons, but him making 8+ halfway through an eight year deal on the third pairing would be.

 

[majormajor]

This article is about Severson, but this part did catch my eye:

Damon Severson’s return to form could be crucial for Blue Jackets’ stretch run

The veteran defenseman has gone back to basics with his game over the last three weeks.

www.nytimes.com

Never really considered that.

Would people here be okay with a 2-3 year deal for 7-8.5 million for Provorov?

I'd consider doing something like a $7m x 2 with Provorov. I don't think he's Orlov caliber so I'm not going higher than that.

There are other UFA D like Kovacevic that I'd also explore making a short term overpay offer for.

 

[stevo61]

I'd consider doing something like a $7m x 2 with Provorov. I don't think he's Orlov caliber so I'm not going higher than that.

There are other UFA D like Kovacevic that I'd also explore making a short term overpay offer for.

7mil would be over 2% of the overall cap less than Orlov made at the time of his signing. I think a major factor with any of these soon to be UFAs is they'll be asking based off of the projected cap for next season. Management around the league not named Dubas will likely be more cautious than that