Since the news of Provorov wanting an 8 year deal he’s played 3 of the worst games of the season in the past week. Just trade him as soon as possible
Player Discussion: Ivan Provorov
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Iron Balls McGinty
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For the record, it is SPECULATION he's looking for an 8 year deal.
Nobody has confirmed as such and anyone who has said as much is just assuming because that is what most players in his situation are looking for.
My preference would be TDL move with Provorov and use the assets when possible to target a better player. No real interest in signing him for 7 years let alone 8.
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Provorov at 8 years (37yo at contract's end) + Severson at 6 more years (37 at contract's end) does not = a sound strategy for a long term competitive team defense.
Trade him at the TDL and have no regrets.
Trade him at the TDL and have no regrets.
Whether the reported desire for an 8-year deal and the recently observed poor play are related or coincidental, who knows !?
I have no idea what the analytics say, but the eye test supports your thesis! Provy is fighting the puck and struggling to find the right d-zone exit. I’m still of the opinion Provy is better fit (and slightly better player) than Severson but Severson’s unmovable contract and handedness makes it highly likely Provy gets moved at the TDL - and that moving him is the right move. Wish it wasn’t, I like him on our 2nd pair, but not if we’re going to have $15M tied up in two 2nd/3rd pair D for the next 7-8 years.
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Provorov has done exactly what was expected of him from a roster/organizational standpoint, which is to provide a buffer against the young guys having to play early or log more minutes than they were ready for. (The fact that Jiricek has been traded doesn't change the initial intent, to give us legit NHL defenseman we could deploy.)
Let's not make it any more than that. Let's not ruin the successful strategy with a new one likely to fail.
Let's not make it any more than that. Let's not ruin the successful strategy with a new one likely to fail.
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Advanced analytics for Provorov are poor. YMMV whether that’s something you want to put a lot of stock into or not. But they’re not good.
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yeah zero interest in that or in paying him more than $7m aav which sure seems like where this is going.
waddell's not going to rush into anything, but provorov's struggled a bit lately and i'd be looking to make a move sooner than later. in an ideal world, they're able to move him and flip the assets for someone who fits longer-term like k'andre miller. i've seen some speculation about owen power as well, would love to get him if he's available.
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alphafox
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At this point I think you have to do something to help Fantilli using Provy. Tossing him back to a line with Sillinger or Zar is not where the future of the franchise (fingers crossed) needs to be, you have to find a partner for him and KJ and if that is the cost for Provy then so be it.
I think 4 years would be ideal.
And d-men are more important then wingers.
We have Johnson, Chinakhov, Jenner. Fantilli has partners. Also LDBB can play wing.
And d-men are more important then wingers.
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Other than KJ I don't view any of those as players that could take Fantilli's game to the next level. Jenner may help as someone to go into corners and dig pucks out but he lacks skill and speed. Chinakov is on the IR list to often and I think LDBB has the capacity to be a really good Center so I would rather have him centering the the third line and learning the role (I suggested in another thread moving on from Sillinger for help as well, I think a package of Proverov and Sillinger could bring back a roster player with star upside from someone like Dallas or Minnesota.)
That being said I think it is undeniable that the D needs an upgrade to compete. I just don't see a real long term upgrade available in season and with Provy wanting 8 years I feel like we are better off getting the return we can for him rather than being locked into his and Severson's contracts for the long haul.
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Two centers in the line is a very good thing. Besides, LDBB doesn't have the physical play of Sillunger, who is the ideal third line center.
Many write that Provorov is a mediocre defenseman. If that's true, we won't get a quality player for him.
And trading a center is not a good idea.
