Value of: Ivan Provorov

[thedjpd]

I think he goes for Schiefele. No other bells and whistles - straight hockey trade. Similar cap, similar term, similar impact, and questionable culture fit in their current org. Straight change of scenery trade between two struggling organizations for two ultra talented but somewhat unhappy players.

Actually think he has more value than Schiefele, as he’s younger, signed longer and is D but let’s see.

Provorov can minute munch on the top pair and is very solid defensively but not so dynamic offensively. Schiefele somewhat the opposite.

 

[Snowman]

I think he goes for Schiefele. No other bells and whistles - straight hockey trade. Similar cap, similar term, similar impact, and questionable culture fit in their current org. Straight change of scenery trade between two struggling organizations for two ultra talented but somewhat unhappy players.

Actually think he has more value than Schiefele, as he’s younger, signed longer and is D but let’s see.

Provorov can minute munch on the top pair and is very solid defensively but not so dynamic offensively. Schiefele somewhat the opposite.

Unlikely Winnipeg has much interest in an LD as a major or really any part of a Scheifele trade.

 

[Curufinwe]

Provorov and Laughton for Scheifele and Dillon.

Post automatically merged: May 3, 2022

Been beating the drum for years that this bum is overrated. Glad flyers fans are finally catching up

Still has twice the trade value as that 3rd liner Zacha.

And he outscored the $9m headcase Hamilton.

 

[kilowatt]

This Philly fan doesnt want Walker so thats a no.

Is Walker really the hang up here? He's a solid right-handed second- or third-pairing defenseman with two years remaining at $2.6 million. Is there someone else then that would be a better fit on the Flyers?

 

[JRichard]

Is Walker really the hang up here? He's a solid right-handed second- or third-pairing defenseman with two years remaining at $2.6 million. Is there someone else then that would be a better fit on the Flyers?

No thanks. You can play him on your 2nd pair, i’ll pass. Made a list post 94.

 

[FlyguyOX]

I think he goes for Schiefele. No other bells and whistles - straight hockey trade. Similar cap, similar term, similar impact, and questionable culture fit in their current org. Straight change of scenery trade between two struggling organizations for two ultra talented but somewhat unhappy players.

Actually think he has more value than Schiefele, as he’s younger, signed longer and is D but let’s see.

Provorov can minute munch on the top pair and is very solid defensively but not so dynamic offensively. Schiefele somewhat the opposite.

Makes sense to me. I'd love Scheifele

 

[Starat327]

Is Walker really the hang up here? He's a solid right-handed second- or third-pairing defenseman with two years remaining at $2.6 million. Is there someone else then that would be a better fit on the Flyers?

It's not saying much, but Walker would walk (heh) on to this team as our best and most cost efficient RHD. That's sad.

 

[kilowatt]

It's not saying much, but Walker would walk (heh) on to this team as our best and most cost efficient RHD. That's sad.

Yeah. LA just has so many right-handed defensemen. I don't want to lose Walker, he's a good player on a great contract, but he's probably played his last game in a Kings sweater. Doughty, Roy, Walker, Durzi, Spence, Clarke, Faber, and Grans... where does Walker fit?

 

[Starat327]

Yeah. LA just has so many right-handed defensemen. I don't want to lose Walker, he's a good player on a great contract, but he's probably played his last game in a Kings sweater. Doughty, Roy, Walker, Durzi, Spence, Clarke, Faber, and Grans... where does Walker fit?

About 9,000 levels above our only other contracted RHD, Risto.

 

[Sasso09]

Ghost has been the better dman (offensively, and defensively) for all but one season since Provorov got into the league, and that one season is the season Ghost got buried to the third line and Niskanen carried Provorov around.

Logically then, it would cost a first and Provorov for future considerations. However, Provorv skates by on draft status, so realistically, the Flyers would want a fair-ish swap back. Whether the Flyers should rebuild is up for debate (it shouldn't be), but Fletcher sees his bottom 5 team as a contender so it would have to be a legitimate hockey trade, not futures based.

Either you have no idea what hockey is or you're trolling hard.

I thought Provorov was untouchable? He having a rough year?

He's untouchable. Angry fans are angry, that's all.

 

[Sasso09]

At the end of the day, similar to Vancouver (my team), when you've shown consistently you're a non playoff team no one is safe other than the core, because its clear changes to the 'mix' are needed.

That often means tough decisions, which mean moving players fans may like to improve other areas that the team needs help in. Ie Vancouver needs real help on RD and they've got some talented wingers, particularly Boeser (who is due a large QO, but will likely sign for less so will be tradeable).

I loved Provorov at the draft and thought he would emerge as another Doughty. From the posts here it seems he really has stalled to be a 3/4 dman. Which is good but not where people expected.

Flyers were the 1st seed in the 2020 Playoffs and have made playoffs in 9 of the last 15 years. What's your definition of consistent?

Also, stop reading comments if it concluded you to believe Provorov is a 3/4. He's been facing the toughest usage and minutes in the league CONSISTENTLY every season since 19 years old and has never been anything but a 1D.

He doesn't get much help.

 

[Starat327]

Either you have no idea what hockey is or you're trolling hard.


He's untouchable. Angry fans are angry, that's all.

I know your post history. Its not me that doesnt understand hockey. Provorov isnt good.

 

[SnS]

I’d trade Provo before Sanheim. That’s for sure.

 

[mercury]

Winnipeg. Ken Wiebe was on a Rangers podcast with Arthur Staple a few weeks ago. They were discussing Andrew Copp. They also discussed Mark Scheifele. Wiebe felt the Flyers would be a fit for Scheifele. He brought Provorov and Konecky as two players the Jets liked. Both teams could be facing high shakeups in the future.

I remember Winnipeg wanted Provorov for Trouba when Trouba was holding out in 2016.

Why would the Flyers trade Konecny in this instance?

 

[thedjpd]

Why would the Flyers trade Konecny in this instance?

They have wing depth.

 

[thedjpd]

I know your post history. Its not me that doesnt understand hockey. Provorov isnt good.

Sanheim, facing less difficult competition, with a more consistent partner, being an offensive defenseman, being a year older, only just outscored Provorov for the first season.

Ivan had to have a terrible year for Sanheim to be better.

Now, could that continue? Sure. But I’d rather just have both.

 

[Starat327]

Sanheim, facing less difficult competition, with a more consistent partner, being an offensive defenseman, being a year older, only just outscored Provorov for the first season.

Ivan had to have a terrible year for Sanheim to be better.

Now, could that continue? Sure. But I’d rather just have both.

Sanheim has been better than Provorov( unless you value pure defensive stats like "shots blocked") for a long time. Like.. 4 years running, basically.

Check on on the Flyers board- you know, where the users mostly watch the games and can gauge performance- and well happily dissect our players performance for you.

This narrative isn't even close when You consider who either player has really played with in that time frame

 

[JUSTGIROUXIT]

Sanheim has been better than Provorov( unless you value pure defensive stats like "shots blocked") for a long time. Like.. 4 years running, basically.

Check on on the Flyers board- you know, where the users mostly watch the games and can gauge performance- and well happily dissect our players performance for you.

This narrative isn't even close when You consider who either player has really played with in that time frame

Sanheim has not been better than Provorov for the last 4 years, not sure what seasons you've been watching if any. Like what? My goodness this is complete nonsense, accompanied with a smug and ignorant response at that... I get it though, very popular opinion and narrative among flyers fans, terrible team, system/coach - Let's blame our top d-man, a player who's having to carry a 7th d-man on his back all year (Braun) facing top competition. Jump on the bandwagon, pile on.

Give the guy a capable partner and reap the benefits.

 

[Starat327]

Sanheim has not been better than Provorov for the last 4 years, not sure what seasons you've been watching if any. Like what? My goodness this is complete nonsense, accompanied with a smug and ignorant response at that... I get it though, very popular opinion and narrative among flyers fans, terrible team, system/coach - Let's blame our top d-man, a player who's having to carry a 7th d-man on his back all year (Braun) facing top competition. Jump on the bandwagon, pile on.

Give the guy a capable partner and reap the benefits.

Sanheim has performed better statistical results without a 'top D man' as his partner, while the organization continues to search for Provorovs unicorn partner.

Provorov is a perfectly fine D man... In a 2nd pairing role, or if you're going to put him on a leash and let him be carried around as has been in thrle case in the past with Ghost, Niskanen, and Sanehim.

 

[mja]

Sanheim has not been better than Provorov for the last 4 years, not sure what seasons you've been watching if any.

Sanheim's a far better defenseman. He just doesn't fit the archetype the fanbase and organization have in their heads of what a good defenseman is, so you're all f***ing blind to it. Ask yourself why we constantly need to find Provorov the right partner and what that says about him as a player. His best two seasons have come with Ghost and Niskanen taking the lead on the pairing. The Flyers have not helped him by insisting he's their clearcut all situations # 1, when he's clearly not cut out for it.

 

[Lindberg]

Is there some other Provorov on the Flyers I don't know about?

Provorov was gifted chance after chance of being a #1 defender on the Flyers and flopped. He's a decent defender but he relies on his partner to push the offense. He's also not a power play quarter back or even worthy of being on a power play.

 

[zcaptain]

Miller, OEL and 2022-1st

for

Provorov and 2022-1st

 

[BronxBruin]

If Philly's management doesn't want futures, how about something around Grzelcyk and Debrusk? On the surface it wouldn't look like the Bruins need a LHD but, aside from McAvoy and Lindholm, their D corps has been very unreliable. I could see the Bruins being interested in upgrading on the back end.

 

[stl76]

I want to see Provorov on the Blues so badly. He would flourish on a pairing with Parayko. Too bad there’s that whole salary cap thing...

 

[JRichard]

If Philly's management doesn't want futures, how about something around Grzelcyk and Debrusk? On the surface it wouldn't look like the Bruins need a LHD but, aside from McAvoy and Lindholm, their D corps has been very unreliable. I could see the Bruins being interested in upgrading on the back end.

Would take Debrusk with Lysell