Value of: Ivan Provorov

[Habs Halifax]

I want good young center back, like Pettersson or Suzuki, allowing Flyers to move any combination of Couturier, Hayes, Laughton or Frost.

Provorov is good but not that good. 3 more years then UFA.

 

[AKL]

Minnesota is one solid Dman away from being a serious player. How about Rossi, another prospect and a 1st?

Rossi is nice but please name prospect(s) you feel might be added. Got to be good prospect but Rossi and 1st is a start.

I think you should just forget about Minnesota altogether.

 

[Doublechin]

I think you should just forget about Minnesota altogether.

Wallstedt

 

[AKL]

Wallstedt

No, forget about Minnesota as in, Minnesota isn't trading any of its top prospects or 1sts for a $7M LD.

 

[YP44]

I could see some combination of Vilardi, Grans, Anderson-Dolan, and our first in play. I don't know what the package would look like, but a left-handed defenseman or an elite scorer is probably what the Kings are looking for this summer.

I would add some other names to this list. I hope Blake is more interested in Provorov that Chychrun

 

[YP44]

I’d roll the dice on our 1st and a top level prospect (Broberg/Bourgault) with Philly taking Barrie for cap reasons.

Not much of a dice roll IMO

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Minnesota is one solid Dman away from being a serious player. How about Rossi, another prospect and a 1st?

Minnesota probably shouldn’t be trading ELC talents considering they’re about to enter a 3 year period where they have to ice a roster $15M under the cap.

 

[Nucks4Life]

At the last press conference the Flyers CEO identified a core four of Ellis, Hayes, Couturier and Farabee.
They never mentioned Sanheim, Hart, Konency, Provorov or Hart as part of the core. Flyers management thinks the team is pretty close and has a raft of excuses around Covid and injuries why this roster failed and none of them are due to the tremendous flaws in the roster as constructed.

So unfortunately, as much as I would like to ignore the idiocy of those statements, it seems like most of what you suggest are not possible moves the Flyers would be making. They seem intent on keeping Ellis and Hayes. Couturier and Farabee as well, but I'm good with keeping the latter two.

Pretty dark time for the franchise with no light on the horizon.

At the end of the day, similar to Vancouver (my team), when you've shown consistently you're a non playoff team no one is safe other than the core, because its clear changes to the 'mix' are needed.

That often means tough decisions, which mean moving players fans may like to improve other areas that the team needs help in. Ie Vancouver needs real help on RD and they've got some talented wingers, particularly Boeser (who is due a large QO, but will likely sign for less so will be tradeable).

I loved Provorov at the draft and thought he would emerge as another Doughty. From the posts here it seems he really has stalled to be a 3/4 dman. Which is good but not where people expected.

 

[Nucks4Life]

I think the super weak UFA market this summer is definitely going to end up being a factor in how willing teams end up being, to move pieces to get a solution via trade. They're going to have to be more open to it, because the key spots just have nothing available as a no-acquisition-cost free agent.


Like, yes...Malkin, Bergeron, and Getzlaf are technically set to hit the market, but i think we all know they aren't really going anywhere. Giroux might be there, if you really think he's still a Center...but he's also likely to be pretty narrow in his preferred destinations. Beyond that, maybe Kadri having a career contract year prices him out of Colorado...but do you really want to be the team signing him at what he's going to command for 6+ years? Trochek could be available, but he's going to have a lot of suitors if he goes to market that probably drive his price and term beyond what makes sense. Beyond that, it's quite literally absolute bupkiss. Fringe 4th liner types basically.


Same for quality LHD. Kind of a weird influx of potential RHD available. But in terms of Top-4 LHD, it's like...a very old Giordano might be your best option. Other than that, someone like Leddy/ancient Edler/Zadorov/Cole probably make up that next tier of UFA guys. Which is yikes. None of those guys save for maybe Leddy really belong anywhere near a regular Top-4 role.


So that's definitely a factor to watch for, and think about when looking at potential solutions in key roles on the horizon. Either you pony up in a trade, or you roll the dice hoping you fan fill those spots with young players internally - which always risks rushing guys and derailing their progress out of desperation.

And Teams always overpay in UFA so do you really want to be competing for those names and paying alot plus term? A good GM says pass

 

[JRichard]

At the end of the day, similar to Vancouver (my team), when you've shown consistently you're a non playoff team no one is safe other than the core, because its clear changes to the 'mix' are needed.

That often means tough decisions, which mean moving players fans may like to improve other areas that the team needs help in. Ie Vancouver needs real help on RD and they've got some talented wingers, particularly Boeser (who is due a large QO, but will likely sign for less so will be tradeable).

I loved Provorov at the draft and thought he would emerge as another Doughty. From the posts here it seems he really has stalled to be a 3/4 dman. Which is good but not where people expected.

Not sure where you got the idea Provorov is a 4d…
philly fans not offering him. Fans of other teams offer 1st and prospects while no one is going for Sanheim who is way cheaper and probably as good.
seems to me people believe he is not a 4d If they want to take that contract.

 

[PettersonHughes]

We really should only be trading Provorov for a guy similar to himself career wise

Think Brock Boeser-types who are good and have upside, but they've been shaky

Presuming Provorov can't play right side? If Vancouver were to trade Boeser we'd be looking for someone on D who can partner with either Hughes or OEL and play on the right (if he's like Sergachev in that regard I'd probably be down for a straight across trade for Brock).

 

[FlyguyOX]

Very curious what the return for Provorov would be around the league if Philly was to deal him this offseason. Would a 1st rounder + a prospect be too much of an ask from a team like LA?

Too little.

I’ve grown extremely tired of him as a flyers fan. But, I know the perception around the league and he’s worth a top young contributing player + in return

 

[Nucks4Life]

Not sure where you got the idea Provorov is a 4d…
philly fans not offering him. Fans of other teams offer 1st and prospects while no one is going for Sanheim who is way cheaper and probably as good.
seems to me people believe he is not a 4d If they want to take that contract.

Getting it from the posts here. I don't watch Philly but if he's not a core player, then clearly management thinks he's not what they expected. I don't watch them enough to know

 

[Nucks4Life]

Too little.

I’ve grown extremely tired of him as a flyers fan. But, I know the perception around the league and he’s worth a top young contributing player + in return

As someone who hasn't see much of him play, as I don't follow Philly, what's the knock on him?

 

[Nucks4Life]

Presuming Provorov can't play right side? If Vancouver were to trade Boeser we'd be looking for someone on D who can partner with either Hughes or OEL and play on the right (if he's like Sergachev in that regard I'd probably be down for a straight across trade for Brock).

I think if they are willing to do Brock for Provorov you do it.

He's not a RD but you can then move Rathbone who I love but Provorov is much bigger and better. That makes the left side VERY strong, and you can fill out the right side with cheap, stay at home, RD with size.

I'm curious what the issues are with Provorov as perhaps its a good swap as both players could use a change of scenery.

 

[JRichard]

Getting it from the posts here. I don't watch Philly but if he's not a core player, then clearly management thinks he's not what they expected. I don't watch them enough to know

He is a core player. He is playing the most minutes for like forever.
That post about injured core players like Ellis, Hayes, Couturier gave you a false impression.
because Provorov wasnt injured (he never was in 5 seasons) in January when the CEO blamed the injury bugs, he wasnt quoted as core but he is as core as it gets.

 

[JRichard]

I think if they are willing to do Brock for Provorov you do it.

He's not a RD but you can then move Rathbone who I love but Provorov is much bigger and better. That makes the left side VERY strong, and you can fill out the right side with cheap, stay at home, RD with size.

I'm curious what the issues are with Provorov as perhaps its a good swap as both players could use a change of scenery.

He could use a good team, a good partner, a good power play. That would help his numbers some. Plus rw not a need with Atkinson, Konecny plus young guys Tippett, Brink, Allison and tough guy McEwen.

 

[Nucks4Life]

He could use a good team, a good partner, a good power play. That would help his numbers some. Plus rw not a need with Atkinson, Konecny plus young guys Tippett, Brink, Allison and tough guy McEwen.

Rumours that Konecny will be moved though and Boeser could take a top RW spot

Boeser will do well on a team with size and speed. He just doesn't fit with the Canucks / the Canucks cant take full use of his talent because they don't have the mix to maximize it.

Personally, I see the Isles or Pens as his best fit anyways. Barzal would make him a 45 goal scorer and same with Sid. He's a player that needs to just find his spot and have a speedy playmaking center feed him, on the Canucks we really don't have that.

 

[biturbo19]

And Teams always overpay in UFA so do you really want to be competing for those names and paying alot plus term? A good GM says pass

Yeah. There's a point at which overpaying in "term" is worst than just paying in "acquisition assets".

 

[ManByng]

I am not sure JVR and Hayes have positive value atm.

I’m not sure if Ellis does! He’s missed most of the season and would be a very expensive gamble!!

 

[McSuper]

Very curious what the return for Provorov would be around the league if Philly was to deal him this offseason. Would a 1st rounder + a prospect be too much of an ask from a team like LA?

As an Oiler fan I would beat that offer .

 

[McSuper]

I’d roll the dice on our 1st and a top level prospect (Broberg/Bourgault) with Philly taking Barrie for cap reasons.

I would add to that .

Barrie for cap reason
1st this year or next Flyers choice
Holloway
Broberg
Samorukov

 

[PJJJP]

I know the blues might be looking for a LHD in the off-season. What would be the price from the blues that Philly fans think is acceptable

 

[captainpaxil]

Provorov is a good top pairing defenseman on a reasonable contract. He can score goals off the rush and play shut down d.
The problem being the flyers have another very good defenseman in sanheim and York who seems a more natural ppqb who are both lhd.
So the flyers would be open to moving him for a potential 1c or young 2c with room to grow.

 

[JRichard]

I know the blues might be looking for a LHD in the off-season. What would be the price from the blues that Philly fans think is acceptable

No available young roster forward because of your already old forwards group.

No available roster rd.

You have no 2nd rounder next 2 yrs so not sure you would be willing to deal a 1st Before 2024

Doesnt sound like good trading partners.

Some names-ideas:
Forward prospects: Bolduc- Neighbours
Young d: Perunovich-Mikkola
Roster player: Barbashev
1st 2024

mix and match i guess