Value of: Ivan Demidov VS 2025 1OA

[bud12]

Celebrini is 0.94 P/GP in the NHL & Demidov is 0.80 P/GP in the KHL.

NHL>>>>KHL

Their values are not even close.

good god what a awful take without reflexion

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Guys a Russian winger. I don't care how much points he's putting up. You take your choice of a premium position.

What does this even mean

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

What does this even mean

...Putin must have tried to poison him...

 

[montreal]

Guys a Russian winger. I don't care how much points he's putting up. You take your choice of a premium position.

he can also play center, played some in last years MHL playoffs,

 

[Silky Johnson]

You can easily compare what Demidov is doing in the KHL with other Russian stars (Kucherov, Kaprizov etc.) from their time in the same league, and I wouldn't consider those guys something shittier than apples...

I understand that doesn't guarantee anything, but neither does stats from the CHL or NCAA

I am saying the NHL is Apples and the KHL is much shittier than apples.

Celebrini is having one of the better rookie season in then post lock out era - in the NHL.

I am responding to a statement saying Demidov should have gone ahead of Celebrini, which is f***tarded.

 

[CallMeShaft]

Demidov over Celebrini is an awful, hugely biased take. Celebrini is close to a PPG, playing center, playing in the NHL, and is 6 months younger. Both will be amazing players, but come the f*** on.

To the question the thread originally presented, I'd rather have 1st overall than Demidov. I think both Schaefer and Hagens have higher upsides and floors. I would take Demidov over Misa or Martone, however.

He's a damn good prospect and he's got the talent to be a PPG winger in this league, but that doesn't mean Habs fans aren't overhyping him in here.

 

[LeProspector]

Potential #1 C Hagens, #1 D in Schaefer or #1W in Demidov.

Give me the Center and Defender before the winger.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Celebrini is good but Demidov should've been 1st overall last year and would easily be this year. The number of teams scared of drafting Russians just blows my mind. Still can't believe both Michkov and Demidov fell like they did.

Lmao

 

[MoneyManny]

Nobody is trading 1st OA for any player that hasn't played a game in the NHL.

A 1st OA pick is always going to be a player that hasn't played a game in the NHL.

Demidov is more proven right now than anyone in the upcoming draft.

 

[StuckOutHere]

Nikishin is the best asset not in America...

Yup.

 

[waitin425]

I love Schaefer...but at this point I wouldn't trade Demidov for the 1st overall. He is in Bedard and Celebrini tier for me.....and I know those teams wouldn't part with their future superstars either.

Pointless discussing this flame fest.

 

[Michoulicious]

Demidov is significantly better than any player in the 2025 draft

I always have been a huge Demidov fan (had him #2 OA), but Schaefer is insanely good.

They are both elite prospects. Top of the top.

 

[DJJones]

What does this even mean

No shortage of high scoring winger's coming from over there that's games didn't translate

I go center or defense 100 percent of the time

 

[Dumais]

A 1st OA pick is always going to be a player that hasn't played a game in the NHL.

Demidov is more proven right now than anyone in the upcoming draft.

It doesn't matter, every year it's the same thing. When was the last time a 1st OA was traded?

GMs and Scouting teams (the only opinions that actually matter) follow these players and have clear favorites. Being more developed doesn't matter when draft time comes. No GM is trading 1st OA, unless it's an overpay. Demidov wouldn't even be the main piece to get 1st OA.

There are probably 5 players on the Habs that are more valuable then Demidov.
And you think someone is giving up 1st OA for the 5th best player?

 

[Sasha Orlov]

No shortage of high scoring winger's coming from over there that's games didn't translate

I go center or defense 100 percent of the time

You can say this about anywhere lmfao what???

 

[Miller Time]

Doubt the Habs would entertain it...

And, outside of the Blackhawks, I doubt the team with the 1OA pick would either.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

I would take Hagens or Schaefer over Demidov.

 

[MoneyManny]

It doesn't matter, every year it's the same thing. When was the last time a 1st OA was traded?

GMs and Scouting teams (the only opinions that actually matter) follow these players and have clear favorites. Being more developed doesn't matter when draft time comes. No GM is trading 1st OA, unless it's an overpay. Demidov wouldn't even be the main piece to get 1st OA.

There are probably 5 players on the Habs that are more valuable then Demidov.
And you think someone is giving up 1st OA for the 5th best player?

Most of your post is you meaninglessly appealing to authority to tell me my opinion doesn't matter so i'll safely ignore it.

I'm curious though, 5 more valuable players on the Habs? I got Suzuki, Hutson and Caufield. Who you got for the 2 others?

 

[Drumman44]

He's not currently in the NHL, so there is uncertainty about his real NHL upside. What if Chicago or whoever drafts 1OA has a crazy idea that they rather gamble on Demidov and offers 1OA for Ivan? It's a hypothetical question of course... just trying to gauge how much an asset like Demidov, who is trending very well but is not in the NHL, would be worth.

We tried to get him last year. I definitely would trade 4th overall

 

[Maitz]

demidov would go 2nd overall after schaefer this year. Hagens/Misa doesn't scream #1 center for me and Martone is far from being a sure shot

 

[FissionFire]

Probably not for the 2025 1OA but definitively would for 2026 1OA (McKenna)

 

[Dumais]

Most of your post is you meaninglessly appealing to authority to tell me my opinion doesn't matter so i'll safely ignore it.

I'm curious though, 5 more valuable players on the Habs? I got Suzuki, Hutson and Caufield. Who you got for the 2 others?

Slaf and anyone who is has played a game at the NHL level.

But I think you are missing my point. No one is trading the 1st OA because A. It never happens and B. Demidov isn't enough. Rebuilding teams would easily top the offer EVEN if a GM was willing to take the gamble (getting fired) for trading the 1st OA pick away.

At this point, not sure if Hab fans are devaluing the 1st OA pick or over rating Demidov value in comparison to 1st OA. Either way, it's willfully ignorant to ignore the past.

 

[Guess]

This highly skilled stud muffin was drafted 5OA and so far has justified that ranking, and then some. How much would a team be willing to shell out for one of, if not the, most prized asset not currently in the NHL?

Would a team drafting 1OA in 2025 do a one for one swap?

Discuss

Time to see how much HFers hate the Habs, lemme see those lowball offers!

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

As a Habs fan, I would not accept that trade.

 

[Gravity]

What a waste of a thread. No party entertains this or even has a desire to entertain this.