Value of: Ivan Demidov VS 2025 1OA

[Silky Johnson]

Celebrini is good but Demidov should've been 1st overall last year and would easily be this year. The number of teams scared of drafting Russians just blows my mind. Still can't believe both Michkov and Demidov fell like they did.

Celebrini is 0.94 P/GP in the NHL & Demidov is 0.80 P/GP in the KHL.

NHL>>>>KHL

Their values are not even close.

 

[montreal]

Nikishin is the best asset not in America...

he's not the best prospect on his team that much is clear.

watch both play today,

 

[montreal]

Celebrini is 0.94 P/GP in the NHL & Demidov is 0.80 P/GP in the KHL.

NHL>>>>KHL

Their values are not even close.

Demidov in games where he's played over 9:14 TOI has 34 pts in 33 gms and that's with going about 2 months without seeing much if any PP TOI. He's yet to play 1 second of 5 on 3 PP this year.

 

[malcb33]

Interesting thread, considering the rumor that Chicago offered their unprotected 2025 1st for Columbus's 4OA 2024 pick to try to scoop Demidov. If true, the Hawks valued Demidov over this upcoming draft class.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Demidov is significantly better than any player in the 2025 draft

 

[FrankMTL]

...sure, I get it...but Hughes went to Russia to see this kid and was more than impressed...and this isn't supposed tyo be a killer draft year...

Yeah, check out all of their faces in this video....they're in love with him.

They ain't trading him.

A player this charismatic and with this much talent in Montreal is pretty much untouchable.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Demidov in games where he's played over 9:14 TOI has 34 pts in 33 gms and that's with going about 2 months without seeing much if any PP TOI. He's yet to play 1 second of 5 on 3 PP this year.

In the KHL...which is not even close to the NHL.

You are comparing apples to...something much shittier than apples.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Interesting thread..
If Chicago was targeting Demidov with their 1st and 2nd this year, I suppose Habs could extract that again.
I wouldn't do it because he already looks like a game breaker in the KHL - a men's league.
As mentioned, I would prefer to package both 1sts and a good prospect to try and get into the top 10 and target a C.
Schaefer is a tantalizing prospect, but habs look good with Hutson, Guhle and Reinbacher skating and rehabbing.
Dach has been great lately but he has to prove he can stay healthy - and then maybe he's a winger. Hage is 2 years from the NHL @ minimum and no one knows his ceiling.

ps the Demidov / Celebrini argument is ridiculous imo. Celebrini is already in the better league and dominating...he also plays the premium position.
This doesn't need to be a pissing contest. Both can be terrific players and the dude in the NHL imo, is further ahead

 

[montreal]

In the KHL...which is not even close to the NHL.

You are comparing apples to...something much shittier than apples.

I'm not comparing anything, I know the NHL is much better then the KHL, I was just pointing out his coach is a jackass cause if you play him he's over a ppg and if they put him on the PP like they are now that they lost their leading scorer for the season, he could be leading the KHL in points despite just turning 19 last month.

 

[EveryDay]

May as well create one of these threads for Reinbacher too.

Reinbacher vs 10th OA

Is he even worth a top 10 pick any more? How much has his value dropped since the habs selected him way too high when players like Michkov were still available?

He's worth more than anyone on your team of choker.

 

[DJJones]

Guys a Russian winger. I don't care how much points he's putting up. You take your choice of a premium position.

 

[Ezpz]

Interesting thread..
If Chicago was targeting Demidov with their 1st and 2nd this year, I suppose Habs could extract that again.
I wouldn't do it because he already looks like a game breaker in the KHL - a men's league.
As mentioned, I would prefer to package both 1sts and a good prospect to try and get into the top 10 and target a C.
Schaefer is a tantalizing prospect, but habs look good with Hutson, Guhle and Reinbacher skating and rehabbing.
Dach has been great lately but he has to prove he can stay healthy - and then maybe he's a winger. Hage is 2 years from the NHL @ minimum and no one knows his ceiling.

ps the Demidov / Celebrini argument is ridiculous imo. Celebrini is already in the better league and dominating...he also plays the premium position.
This doesn't need to be a pissing contest. Both can be terrific players and the dude in the NHL imo, is further ahead

There is no elite talent in the draft this year we're better off just picking twice. Demidov is a couple tiers above any prospect in the 2025 draft.

 

[malcb33]

In the KHL...which is not even close to the NHL.

You are comparing apples to...something much shittier than apples.

You can easily compare what Demidov is doing in the KHL with other Russian stars (Kucherov, Kaprizov etc.) from their time in the same league, and I wouldn't consider those guys something shittier than apples...

I understand that doesn't guarantee anything, but neither does stats from the CHL or NCAA

 

[Grinner]

As a Sharks fan, no

 

[amnesiac]

Nikishin is the best asset not in America...

not this year, regressed

Schaefer is going #1 OA

not if CHI get 1st

 

[Bouboumaster]

You see this:

This right there, is how we will go to war with the top dogs in the league and hope to bring back the cup in his rightfull home: In Canada, and to be more precise, in Montréal

We ain't trading him, unless the package is so crazy that we can't say no, and a 1OA in a good-not great class ain't gonna cut it, not even close

 

[L4br3cqu3]

What's the point of that thread ?

Demidov won't be traded, especially with the season he's having.

 

[StrompTroller]

You see this:

This right there, is how we will go to war with the top dogs in the league and hope to bring back the cup in his rightfull home: In Canada, and to be more precise, in Montréal

We ain't trading him, unless the package is so crazy that we can't say no, and a 1OA in a good-not great class ain't gonna cut it, not even close

hes not burgeoning enough to blah blah blah whatever you just said....

 

[Dumais]

Nobody is trading 1st OA for any player that hasn't played a game in the NHL.

 

[Mrfenn92]

not this year, regressed


not if CHI get 1st

They’ll take Schaefer

 

[Legend123]

Never

 

[beowulf]

Habs are not trading him one year later for a 1st overall who very well could not be as good.

 

[Grinner]

Good chance Demidov goes 5th in this draft as well.

 

[God]

All of the "bad" teams right now are trying to get better with their current players (instead of tanking) so I'm 70% sure they'd swap the 1st overall for Demidov given that he's one year of development ahead of whoever's getting drafted this year. But I also think teams are more likely to keep the 2025 1st overall instead of trading it for, say, Juraj Slafkovsky.

Sometimes you get a good "bargain" at 5th overall and sometimes you get a lottery win in a weaker draft. Who cares.

 

[eojsmada]

I'll play along. So the highest value forward in the draft is either Hagens, Misa, and Martone from NA and Eklund, Frondell, and Ryabkin from Intl...according to NHL.com/Central Scouting.

Is Demidov better than them. I would say yes, because he is putting up almost PPG numbers in the KHL as a D+1, which is pretty amazing.

The closest player I might consider trading him for, would be Shaefer. But the Habs need more in the forward department, going forward, than on defense. They have Guhle, Hutson, Mailloux, Reinbacher, and Engstrom already either on the team or in the near-future pipeline. While Shaefer probably is better than all but Hutson, in terms of skill/potential, Montreal probably needs to start adding to its forward depth with a lot of veteran players set to have contracts expire over the next 3 years.

So in a vacuum, skill-wise and in potential, I would probably value Shaefer over Demidov. But in terms of how the team is being constructed, I would say that Montreal should keep Demidov over Shaefer.