Blue Jays Discussion: It's still the off-season (Ray: Cy Young, Berrios: 7yr ext, Semien: to TEX, Gausman: signs 5y/$110m)

[Greek_physique]

Must be nice..Baez has a been putting up so-so numbers the past couple years and still pulls out $23mill per season.

 

[Deebo]

love the jays...so hard to like baseball though...they are literally mercenaries 100% of the time a guy like Ray who literally resurrected a dying career in Toronto is the prime example...to me if a organization helps you that much you don't turn your back on them for another pay day (how much money do you really need to live a good life?) after 4 years 98.9% of these guys are literally set for 6 lifetimes...go jays go of course but it leaves a sour taste

Works both ways. A team will get rid of a player after years of loyal service if it makes the team better. They'll manipulate service time to get an extra year of control, etc.

 

[kb]

That should get you about 3 months of him.

I know. I should have put this.

 

[kb]

Honestly, 18M isn't going to sign him and i have no interest in Correa for 1 year.

If his market cratered, we would still want to offer a long term contract and figure out everything else later.

If he was willing to take something like 8x25 (assuming that the CBA doesn't destroy our plans), I think we'd have to make it work.

Oh for sure. It was more of a tongue in cheek comment.

If his market craters, he's a great one to get. And he's playing a dangerous game like Ray was. His market may not be developing like they expected.

 

[Emerica]

Any smoke around Kris Bryant? Didn’t we have interest in trading for him last season?

 

[Discoverer]

Works both ways. A team will get rid of a player after years of loyal service if it makes the team better. They'll manipulate service time to get an extra year of control, etc.

The vast majority of professional baseball players spend years making less than minimum wage in the minors and then don't make it to the majors. The ones who do spend the next 6-7 years getting paid a tiny percentage of what they're actually worth, and then teams are hesitant to give them what they're now worth because of the risk they'll start to decline.

The players 100% should be trying to get what they can wherever they can get it because the teams go out of their way to not pay them what they're worth the majority of their careers.

 

[SDig14]

The ability for Taylor to play almost all positions and fill in at CF allows us to trade Grichuk vs. Biggio is strictly a 2B.

But offensively though, is Taylor better than a healthy Biggio?

 

[BlueForever75]

I would target Taylor first and if we can secure him than you shift to trade market. His flexibility opens many other targets. I like Bryant but I am not sure if he will deliver in the AL East. I am iffy on him.

 

[Bjindaho]

The ability for Taylor to play almost all positions and fill in at CF allows us to trade Grichuk vs. Biggio is strictly a 2B.

But offensively though, is Taylor better than a healthy Biggio?

In a perfect world, Taylor becomes a super utility guy and Biggio either starts at 2b or is traded.

Taylor can move around the diamond, meaning that he can spell any positions outside of the 1,2,3, which gives more flexibility. His best positions are SS and LF. Depending on what he costs, he could be the precursor to an OF trade.

 

[Discoverer]

My biggest concern with Taylor is that he's not actually a very good defender where they would need him most (3B - negative value but also a tiny sample).

 

[HamiltonNHL]

The players 100% should be trying to get what they can wherever they can get it because the teams go out of their way to not pay them what they're worth the majority of their careers

Yea sure but would you work at your second choice job for five years for 4% more ?

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[SDig14]

My biggest concern with Taylor is that he's not actually a very good defender where they would need him most (3B - negative value but also a tiny sample).

The only way it works is if he is playing primarily 2B and in the outfield and only 3B when the everyday 3B needs a day off.

I see him as a bonus after the heavy lifting is done, just may come before the heavy lifting is actually complete.

 

[Maestro84]

love the jays...so hard to like baseball though...they are literally mercenaries 100% of the time a guy like Ray who literally resurrected a dying career in Toronto is the prime example...to me if a organization helps you that much you don't turn your back on them for another pay day (how much money do you really need to live a good life?) after 4 years 98.9% of these guys are literally set for 6 lifetimes...go jays go of course but it leaves a sour taste

Blame his agent. His agent tried to play a stupid game and won a stupid prize as his client did not get to play where he wanted

 

[BlueForever75]

The only way it works is if he is playing primarily 2B and in the outfield and only 3B when the everyday 3B needs a day off.

I see him as a bonus after the heavy lifting is done, just may come before the heavy lifting is actually complete.

I am still a believer that if you let someone like Semien walk than you need to keep the mind set of improving your team from last season. Signing Taylor in my eyes would not be for 3B but rather 2B and outfield flexibility. 3B then needs to still be improved from the Biggio/Espinal/Valera combo you had last season. This is where a trade comes into play. Acquiring someone like Chapman, Ramirez or Mouse via trade. Having assets such as Groshans, Biggio, Kirk, Pearson, Grichuk should allow you to get that deal done.

By doing this you have now not taken a step too back from Semien at 2B and have upgraded the 3B position. This should be the goal making the entire lineup more balanced offensively and defensively from last season.

 

[SDig14]

 

[SDig14]

Interesting offsesson so far for the Giants. Everyone said they had piles of money to spend and thought they'd get Semien.

Now they have missed on Semien and look like won't be bringing back Gausman or Bryant.

A couple decent middle of the rotations signings so far, wonder if they still spend big on someone.

 

[BlueForever75]

Sign Taylor 4X17 million

Trade Pearson, Kirk, Biggio and B prospect to Oakland for Chapman and Mannea

Resign : Dickerson and Dyson to 1yr deals

CF - Springer
2B - Taylor
1B - Guerrero
SS - Bichette
RF - Hernandez
3B - Chapman
LF - Gurriel
DH - Grichuk
C - Jansen

Bench: Dickerson, Dyson, Espinal, McGuire, Valera

Berrios
Gausman
Mannea
Ryu
Manoah

 

[Bjindaho]

Sign Taylor 4X17 million

Trade Pearson, Kirk, Biggio and B prospect to Oakland for Chapman and Mannea

Resign : Dickerson and Dyson to 1yr deals

CF - Springer
2B - Taylor
1B - Guerrero
SS - Bichette
RF - Hernandez
3B - Chapman
LF - Gurriel
DH - Grichuk
C - Jansen

Bench: Dickerson, Dyson, Espinal, McGuire, Valera

Berrios
Gausman
Mannea
Ryu
Manoah

Oakland doesn't do that trade.

Also, why would we sign 2 OF?

 

[BertCorbeau]

Cool. Cool cool cool.

 

[SDig14]

 

[Maestro84]

Lol this guy was on the jays for like 2 seconds

 

[Discoverer]

I assume this means the Cubs are moving Contreras this offseason.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Avilaj07]

If true that Jays are after Bryant and Taylor, then I guess it's safe to assume they're not involved with trade talks regarding Chapman or Ramirez which is disappointing.