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Blue Jays Discussion: It's still the off-season (Ray: Cy Young, Berrios: 7yr ext, Semien: to TEX, Gausman: signs 5y/$110m)

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I'd feel a lot more comfortable if the Jays added one more established starting pitcher. I feel like Pearson can thrive as a reliever given how nasty his stuff is and I sure as hell don't want Stripling starting every 5 or so days.

Here are some options that still remain:

- Carlos Rodon in FA
- One of Frankie Montas, Chris Bassit, or Sean Manaea from Oakland
- One of Pablo Lopez or Trevor Rogers from Miami
- Sonny Gray from Cincinnati (Castillo might be too much of a reach at this point)
- An equivalent to Steven Matz (someone who has good stuff, had a down year, and is looking to bounce back on a good team)

And yes Robbie Ray is gone lol the Jays are smart for not putting their eggs in one basket and hoping Ray chooses them. Hope he gets PAID he deserves it after a CY Young year
 
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Just comparing them because they were two recent depth BP signings...although granted not a great direct comparison as one guy is a lefty soft-tosser.

But Yimi is projected by Steamer for an ERA of 4.20, whereas Raley for 3.8, and I'm betting the latter was a lot cheaper.

Anyway, I hope I'm wrong.
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10m guaranteed over the 2 years, so Raley comes in 500k cheaper per year. Negligible difference in the grand scheme of things but yes I’d probably bank on Raley being more dominant because of the Rays magic.
 
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Rodon would be the guy i target. Dude can absolutely deal when he's healthy, though that's the major issue with him.

Lopez or Rogers would likely cost too much to acquire since the Marlins, while having a pitcher surplus also seem to realize the guys they have are valuable.

Cincy is asking for a lot on their guys and i cant imagine Oakland would be dumb enough to just dump one of those pitchers without getting something significant back.

Ray i think is gone and i'm gonna call my shot and say he ends up with the Angels.
 
trade some version of jansen/kirk + hatch/kay + smith + jimenez/lopez plus throw in some lottery guy outside of the top 40 to get what we want in a serviceable thirdbaseman. . if its the jram/chapman sort they may want espinal as a viable mlb ready replacement at third

evaluate the bullpen arms available

grab some depth

ideally sign rodon to a bet on yourself contract and attach another compo pick to another big payday or throw a wrench in to everything and sign kershaw for a season or 2
 
Rodon won't bet on himself with a lockout coming.

I was initially going to say maybe you get him on a deal loaded with incentives/benchmarks but then i realized that's stupid because a) nobody should be taking lottery ticket type deals in a market where your mere existence is enough to secure a 8 figure deal most of the time. And b) there's a lockout coming so guys are logically going to want more security

his stats are enough to get him a long-ish team deal on good money despite the concerns.
 
Kurtz said:
Just comparing them because they were two recent depth BP signings...although granted not a great direct comparison as one guy is a lefty soft-tosser.

But Yimi is projected by Steamer for an ERA of 4.20, whereas Raley for 3.8, and I'm betting the latter was a lot cheaper.

Anyway, I hope I'm wrong.
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Money's basically the same, and the history/projections are close enough that it's basically a matter of preference and specific need.

(Although I'm guessing your preference would be to sign neither of them, which is fair. I just have a hard time preferring one over the other.)
 
stro would be a hot commodity if he knew when to shut his mouth he can pitch well.

there is no problem being a loud ass when you pick your moments. stro doesn't pick moments he spouts this out 24/7 and blames everyone else along with a couple other variables when it doesn't go the way he wants
 
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Haven't posted on these forums in a few years. Got a question about a free agent the Jays signed before the 2021 season got underway. He was a relief (closer) pitcher, from the Milwaukee Brewers, I believe, and after George Springer, he was supposed to be Toronto's biggest signing. Unfortunately he suffered a bad arm injury during spring training and he was finished for the season. Can anyone tell me his name and current status? Thanks guys.
 
King Clark said:
Haven't posted on these forums in a few years. Got a question about a free agent the Jays signed before the 2021 season got underway. He was a relief (closer) pitcher, from the Milwaukee Brewers, I believe, and after George Springer, he was supposed to be Toronto's biggest signing. Unfortunately he suffered a bad arm injury during spring training and he was finished for the season. Can anyone tell me his name and current status? Thanks guys.
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thinking Kirby Yates is the guy your talking about
 
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King Clark said:
Haven't posted on these forums in a few years. Got a question about a free agent the Jays signed before the 2021 season got underway. He was a relief (closer) pitcher, from the Milwaukee Brewers, I believe, and after George Springer, he was supposed to be Toronto's biggest signing. Unfortunately he suffered a bad arm injury during spring training and he was finished for the season. Can anyone tell me his name and current status? Thanks guys.
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Kirby Yates?
 
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King Clark said:
Haven't posted on these forums in a few years. Got a question about a free agent the Jays signed before the 2021 season got underway. He was a relief (closer) pitcher, from the Milwaukee Brewers, I believe, and after George Springer, he was supposed to be Toronto's biggest signing. Unfortunately he suffered a bad arm injury during spring training and he was finished for the season. Can anyone tell me his name and current status? Thanks guys.
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Kirby Yates?
 
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King Clark said:
Haven't posted on these forums in a few years. Got a question about a free agent the Jays signed before the 2021 season got underway. He was a relief (closer) pitcher, from the Milwaukee Brewers, I believe, and after George Springer, he was supposed to be Toronto's biggest signing. Unfortunately he suffered a bad arm injury during spring training and he was finished for the season. Can anyone tell me his name and current status? Thanks guys.
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That's Kirby Yates who's currently a free agent. He had tommy john surgery. Good pitcher when hes healthy.
 
Maestro84 said:
I'd feel a lot more comfortable if the Jays added one more established starting pitcher. I feel like Pearson can thrive as a reliever given how nasty his stuff is and I sure as hell don't want Stripling starting every 5 or so days.

Here are some options that still remain:

- Carlos Rodon in FA
- One of Frankie Montas, Chris Bassit, or Sean Manaea from Oakland
- One of Pablo Lopez or Trevor Rogers from Miami
- Sonny Gray from Cincinnati (Castillo might be too much of a reach at this point)
- An equivalent to Steven Matz (someone who has good stuff, had a down year, and is looking to bounce back on a good team)

And yes Robbie Ray is gone lol the Jays are smart for not putting their eggs in one basket and hoping Ray chooses them. Hope he gets PAID he deserves it after a CY Young year
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Who are some names you would put in this category?
 
Very nice gausman signing. But don't make the same mistake as last year and leave it there - one more big add, preferably a bat.

Then spend the rest of the offseason looking for clever value adds.
 
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