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Blue Jays Discussion: It's still the off-season (Ray: Cy Young, Berrios: 7yr ext, Semien: to TEX, Gausman: signs 5y/$110m)

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Franco going to be a Ray for 5 or less years because they will trade him before he makes $25M or they will move to another city where the owners make more revenue.
 
TGB said:
Can we please stop trading high value young players for short term rentals?
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lol, you know the amount of blockbuster trades involving the jays where we have ever given up a "high value young player" that ever amounted to anything even close to stardom in the majors? i can count them all on one hand, namely jeff kent, thor, michael young..struggling to think of any others
unless its a vladdy level prospect im taking the established all star level player everyday of the week..remember when franklin barreto was the SS of the future? well ill take 3 and 1/2 years of JD thanks lol.
also, jays tend to trade for players that have some cost control and term typically.

unless its moreno, im open to trading any of our prospects for the right players.
 
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djdev said:
lol, you know the amount of blockbuster trades involving the jays where we have ever given up a "high value young player" that ever amounted to anything even close to stardom in the majors? i can count them all on one hand, namely jeff kent, thor, michael young..struggling to think of any others
unless its a vladdy level prospect im taking the established all star level player everyday of the week..remember when franklin barreto was the SS of the future? well ill take 3 and 1/2 years of JD thanks lol.
also, jays tend to trade for players that have some cost control and term typically.

unless its moreno, im open to trading any of our prospects for the right players.
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And the list is probably just exclusive to Kent and David Price as they were rentals by definition.

Michael Young was traded for 2.5 years of Loiaza.

And not that I’m defending the trade, but Thor+ was traded for 4 years of Dickey as he was signed to an extension prior to the trade taking place.

So there are not many of these in recent Jays history.
 
phillipmike said:
And the list is probably just exclusive to Kent and David Price as they were rentals by definition.

Michael Young was traded for 2.5 years of Loiaza.

And not that I’m defending the trade, but Thor+ was traded for 4 years of Dickey as he was signed to an extension prior to the trade taking place.

So there are not many of these in recent Jays history.
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ye, even the worst trades were never THAT bad. thor has been injured so much and without cone we might not have won our 1st ever chip.

it reminds me of that family guy episode where peter has to choose between the boat and the mystery box and says:
"A boat's a boat, but a mystery box could be anything. It could even be a boat."
 
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djdev said:
unless its moreno, im open to trading any of our prospects for the right players.
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You clearly missed the context of my reply to the previous poster. I didn't say prospects. I said high value young players. Kirk, Gurriel, Jansen, Pearson...this is what the previous poster was talking about. NOT prospects.

phillipmike said:
And the list is probably just exclusive to Kent and David Price as they were rentals by definition.
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Don't encourage lines of discussion based on miscomprehensions.
 
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Gausman 30 years old. His 5 best seasons by fWAR: 4.8, 3.1, 2.6, 2.3, 2.0

Berrios 27 years old, his only 5 full seasons by fWAR: 4.4, 4.1, 3.1, 2.7, 1.1(in 63 innings, covid year)

Gausman getting more than Berrios' 120/6 FA years is going to be comical.
 
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TGB said:
You clearly missed the context of my reply to the previous poster. I didn't say prospects. I said high value young players. Kirk, Gurriel, Jansen, Pearson...this is what the previous poster was talking about. NOT prospects.
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gurriel is 28, pearson is 25, jansen is almost 27. they arent that much younger than who we would be targeting. the only young one of who you mentioned is kirk and we have moreno plowing his way through the system. i dont see a problem. if you have to trade them for someone like j ramirez who is a top 3 3rd baseman and top 25 player in the game you do it and dont look back.
 
djdev said:
gurriel is 28, pearson is 25, jansen is almost 27. they arent that much younger than who we would be targeting. the only young one of who you mentioned is kirk and we have moreno plowing his way through the system. i dont see a problem. if you have to trade them for someone like j ramirez who is a top 3 3rd baseman and top 25 player in the game you do it and dont look back.
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Not gonna apologize for getting all patronizing, are ya?
 
TGB said:
Not gonna apologize for getting all patronizing, are ya?
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lol, why would i apologize? i never insulted you. nor was i patronizing or condescending in any way. considering the players you mentioned arent even that young one could assume you were referring to prospects and not players who are in their mid to late 20s.
 
TGB said:
Don't encourage lines of discussion based on miscomprehensions.
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You said “rentals”. A rental is a player with less than 1 year of control. But of course you will try to deny this, this is how the conversation will go.

Kaffee: That's not what you said. You said he was being transferred, because he was in grave danger.

Jessup: That's correct.

Kaffee: You said he was in danger. I said "grave danger"? You said...

Jessup: I recall what I said.

Kaffee: I could have the court reporter read back to you...

Jessup: I know what I said! I don't have to have it read back to me, like I'm...
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Ramirez has 2 years of control and Marte has 3. Neither are rentals.

And if it was ever in doubt, I am questioning your logic. In case you were wondering.
 
djdev said:
better yet we should all apologize clearly.
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From BA's updated scouting report on Gabriel Moreno
"with his higher-end exit velocities jumping from the low 100s to the 108 mph area. The result has been a more complete hitter who makes frequent contact, uses the whole field and has at least average power"

"Some scouts believe Moreno has a chance to be a perennial all-star, a potential plus to plus-plus hitter who could hit 20-25 home runs while chipping in above-average defense at a premium position. He should be ready to contribute in Toronto at some point in 2022"

Hit: 70. Power: 50. Speed: 40. Fielding: 55. Arm: 60
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Gausman only has two effective pitches too.

Good for him on cashing in but like...yikes. Of all the options out there he's probably the last guy i'd want next to Stroman. Stroman more so because he's running his mouth on how front offices are racist that they don't prefer him over the reigning AL Cy Young winner and Gausman, a guy who was basically in the conversation all season for the NL version. Are analytics also racist? Because metric favor both guys over you too, Stro.
 
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