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Scandale du Jour said:
These guys, at best, are 3rd liners. At the VERY VERY best. Most likely they are fourth liners.

Rust, Guentzel and Sheary all ended up being key top 6 players during those runs.

Now, you want to recreate the same effect when the core is noticibly older and our prospects much crappier. Should we have continued incorporating youth and developping much better? Hell yeah! But we did not, so we will need to rebuild.

At this point, we won't contend during the Sid era, that much is a given. Fair enough, try and make the playoffs, but do not sacrifice future assets. Start building the foundation and hope for a gem or two.
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Bottom sixers is exactly what we're missing right now.

And of those players, only Jake was in the top six. And that was just for '17.
 
BrindamoursNose said:
It is kind of wild that you miss the playoffs once in 16 years and you're ready to burn it all down

Pens are in a weird spot. Hextall re-signed your cornerstone oldheads, which of course left the team fairly hamstrung, but nostalgia continued.

Unless the owners wanted to let Malkin/Sid go, that's a tough one to get around. Probably for the best he and Burkey were canned.
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This wasn’t purely on ice results, Hextall clearly didn’t know what he was doing. The mandate was always keep Crosby and Malkin together. The core didn’t handicap the Pens at all because they got more value cap wise out of them this year than last or the year before. So you keep the core, simple. His job is just to build around a cheap but old core. So what does he spend this whole last year doing? Filling out the roster with expensive old players, and oddly creating the worlds most soft and gutless team. Sound familiar? From all accounts it seems like ownership wasn’t impressed with him to begin with when they got here.
 
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Scandale du Jour said:
You could, but it is a gamble. You could hit gold and, at this point, better try that than signing Jeff Carters.
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I think we'd be hard pressed to hit worse than our current bottom 6. Move them out, target young players, use what we have, and move some surplus parts.

We're not talking about wholesale changes here, but it's clear that a solid 33% of the roster just isn't working. Worst comes to worst, if we move some busted old vets like Granlund for a guy that's out of the league in a year and makes like $2 million and it doesn't work, we get a better draft pick, so the rebuild progresses anyway.

Nobody really thinks we can contend, but we can make this A) a more fun club to watch, and B) a club that can actually maybe have a puncher's chance at a series or two by finding a diamond in the rough.
 
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Can you imagine the PR boost for the GM that comes in and fires Sullivan immediately?

What good coaches are available?
 
MrBrightside said:
Anyone who thought Sullivan was getting fired was kidding himself. And even if he was, they aren’t going to do it until there’s a GM in place.
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A GM usually does the hockey staff, not the owners.

If you remember, Mario and Burkle fired Shero. Then once they got Rutherford hired, he fired Bylsma...pretty much right away.

Patience.

Lust for Life said:
Can you imagine the PR boost for the GM that comes in and fires Sullivan immediately?

What good coaches are available?
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For this team...honestly...Bruce Boudreau.

My hope is that they DON'T just promote Reirden or Velluci. They are as much responsible as Sullivan. I could Forrest getting some consideration.
 
I'd like to axe Reirden and replace him with sauce boy Boudreau he may not be much of a head coach, but his offensive schemes and power plays are all usually legit.
 
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The reality is that Sullivan has been running the team for some time already. He goes to the GM and states he needs this guy moved for a a dinky forward or soft d man and then we will win it all!. Then he gets booted from the first round or sooner in this case. The issue is there is history that can be looked up. Sullivan inherited his back to back teams. Then he tore them down.
 
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It will be interesting to see how the GM search plays out.
Big difference from last time, as the Hextall hire occurred in-season, so they had major incentives to get something done fast.

This time? There are still two months until the Draft. They can take their time and cast a wide net at first, and then narrow things down from there.

It's also the first time FSG is getting to pick their GM, for that matter. Really, the first truly big decision they've made as owners of the Pens. It will be interesting to see what direction they go in.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Hextall isn’t the reason the Penguins give up 3rd period leads, come out flat for 75% of the games, and lose to the hawks in a must win.

Every time this team loses, it's always someone else's fault outside of Sullivan to a large part of the fanbase. This team has changed almost everything outside of the core around Sullivan, yet nothing changes with the results.
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but the players he surrounded the big 3 with are Hextall's fault.
the goal tending that imploded and was the biggest single reason for our inconsistency is Hextall's fault.
I'm not saying Sullivan doesn't have some level of blame. But granlund to fix our bottom 3 who did that move? Getting older and slower and forcing us to rely on 35+ yr olds to skate more minutes whose fault is that?

We do need to rethink our game and that is on sullivan, but first see how he does with a competent roster with a short leash.
 
vikingGoalie said:
but the players he surrounded the big 3 with are Hextall's fault.
the goal tending that imploded and was the biggest single reason for our inconsistency is Hextall's fault.
I'm not saying Sullivan doesn't have some level of blame. But granlund to fix our bottom 3 who did that move? Getting older and slower and forcing us to rely on 35+ yr olds to skate more minutes whose fault is that?

We do need to rethink our game and that is on sullivan, but first see how he does with a competent roster with a short leash.
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What about the 5 years before this year where he had a competent roster?
 
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Scandale du Jour said:
Youth movement? Who do you bring in? You do not have any really good prospects ready to make the jump.

You put "meh" guys in hoping to hit a HR like we did with Rust?
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If O'Connor or Puustinen got 16 minutes a night playing with Geno, who is to say one of them couldn't score 7 goals over a 23 game cup run like Rust did? Keep in mind, Geno gets a majority of O zone starts against 2nd pairs. Does anyone think O'Connor will get a real chance to be the 2nd line LW next year if Sullivan is here?

Sullivan will put any poorly performing vet there instead. Carter or Granlund will be in the top 6 before any young guy will get any kind of real chance.
 
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