I wouldn't double shift Dubois with fourth liners.
A shitstorm doesn’t begin to address it. Trade Jackeye and Hughes it’s going to get backlash 10X worse than when Bergevin traded Subban. Perish the thought.
We'll have a better idea who sticks around and who makes the NHL roster out of camp in preseason, for sure, even if I would like most younger players, outside of Heineman, to play together in Laval.
No need for a player that would be our best centre at this time . I don't know if Suzuki and/or Dach are going to be better than Dubois, but right now he's better than both themImagine being 27th in the league and saying there's no room for a player like PLD
I don't think there's that much money in it for NHLers. I recall reading an article a few years back and there were very few players topping 1M in endorsements. This isn't Peyton Manning or top NBA stars who can more in endorsements than they make in salary. This Forbes article from 2021 shows the very elite guys (Sid, Ovi, McD) making a few million but still not as much as their salaries, and other really good players like Panarin, Karlsson, and Vasilevskiy are below 1M in commercial stuff.
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I would have a frank discussion with him about rolling a top-9 prior to signing him. He either buys in or he doesn't. He wants to win or he doesn't. If he doesn't buy in and insists on special treatment over Suzuki and Dach, he may not be a good fit. If I were MSL, I would roll a top-9 like that and then give all 3 Cs plenty of PP action. This is what creates matchup problems for other teams, not stacking the first two lines. Especially in a few years when we have 4-5 offensively minded defensemen who can release these forwards effectively. We'd have plenty of serviceable wingers, but only 3 good-to-elite (in-the-making) Cs.
Runny, you are not close to the reality with this affirmation; For one, Subban was a Norris winer, a fans favorite player of an average team . And he was traded for a legendary player, so that we were a lot that were absolutly happy with this trade. Jackeye is a smiling, funny player that will fight anyone, and that can put points here and there. With all the players that are closed to join the team, he won't probably played top 4 . So if he's traded in a pack for Dubois, a big player that would be our top center, that is a local guy and that wishes to play here, i don't see any drama about this hypothetical trade.
I wouldn't say Dubois is currently better than Suzuki, but he brings something different and as or more valuable in the type of profile he has as a hockey player.
I am not sure Dubois is better than Suzuki right now, both are producing around 60 points, Dubois is 1 year older, has been playing with better players. Suzuki has the better shot, defensively I d say they are similar…
The team that has the 77th best scorer in the league and after that the 188th best scorer in the league of 32 teams should not want to add a superior scorer?
He’s 69th in scoring and could be looking to be paid like he’s a top 30 player in the league. That’s the issue a lot of fans are having right now.
I don't think it is. For one, a big chunk of commentators think we should pick him up as a free agent to save on the trade cost. It automatically implies they approve of paying him what he wants.... and competing with, and defeating, other offers he will surely receive. He's a 6'4" power forward who's only 25 -- every team in the NHL covets him. Detroit can back up a truck full of cash for him.
I think he’s a snowflake. And I don’t think he’s worth the price of admission at 8+ million. I also think there’s a large part of our fanbase that are overrating the ever living crap out of him and will be disappointed when they see what he really is. I keep hearing how we’ve been offensively starved like we haven’t had 60 point players in the last 20-30 years. Then I get tossed over to he’s a “big power forward” which seems to be the same trap the same fans fall into over and over and over again. And I don’t get why you’re bringing up the star players within the division. They’re a clear step up on this guy. Dubois isn’t going to be the difference in making us competitive against teams that have players like that.
PLD has 60pts in 69gp, that's 0.87ppg or a 71 pt pace.
How do you expect us to compete even if we get Dubois? We have no forward depth even if we add him, our defence is putrid and going to take years to rebuild properly and we don’t have any goaltenders either. You make it sound like we have a choice whether or not we can be competitive and play meaningful games right now. We don’t. We’re bulldozing a mess that Bergevin made and it’s going to take years to fix. I’d like to think when this team is ready to compete, we’ll have more cost effective forwards that can produce 60-70 points. Those shouldn’t be hard to find if we draft right. We’re already two years into this. We may as well see it out properly. You’re getting way to anxious about competing and that’s the same mistake every single GM has made the last 20+ years here.
I do not get it as well. For most of Habs fans, Suzuki is almost untradeable, but if we have a chance to get a guy who is similar age, quality and terms to Nick, we should not trade for him
It's got nothing to do with rushing the rebuild. Your arguments are all over the place and it's not possible to respond to all of the moving targets.
I didn’t say we shouldn’t add good players, my entire point is not paying players that are just good money they aren’t worth. If we can get Dubois at Suzuki money, I would do it. Once you start going higher, it’s just poor asset management. We aren’t competing for a cup with players like Dubois as one of the main pieces of our core.
This is false. Rebuilding teams aren’t trading away first round picks for Christian Dvorak or going out of their way to acquire players like Josh Anderson. Weber, Price (if anybody was willing to take the contract), Gallagher, Danault, Tatar, Petry, etc all would’ve been sold. Former management was not rebuilding in the slightest, they were simply too incompetent to build a good team. They left the core untouched.
The rebuild can't be attributed to Bergevin. He had some picks because he ran us into a 24th place team and all this while trying to WIN. He should have been fired long before covid hit and the TRUE rebuild could have started much earlier. It's pretense to say it wasn't called for because it was very vociferously. I give Bergevin all the credit he deserves which is NONE.
