Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Kojo]

After Dubois, we lack a top-6 sniper

Did you ever hear about Cole Caufield? He's an elite american sniper.

 

[SlafySZN]

Did you ever hear about Cole Caufield? He's an elite american sniper.

Plus Caufield still has 1 more goal than Dubois with 22 less games played

 

[SlafySZN]

Need to be sellers on Suzuki, Dach and Caufield to ensure you might be in position to draft a future 90-point player. Of course, you'd have to be luckier and get a good pick in a good draft for once.

No. They just have to take it as it goes and be patient. Caufield, Dach and Suzuki are still in development, Slaf also as well as all the dmen.

Molson already said it will take time and he has no timeline because it’s hard to say. Hughes said hey won’t make acquisition this off season that would make the team much better next season. If this message from them isn’t clear, i don’t know what more they could say.

 

[HuGort]

Wonder if we could do a sign and trade? Something like Tkachuk last summer. Get the extra year.

 

[habsfan44]

His intangibles are physicality and size. He has a nice package with his level of skills.

Are we counting his ability to disappear for long stretches as an intangible ? Remember earlier this season when he was on pace for a 90 point campaign , what's that pace now ? I don't think trading good picks & prospects plus spending valuable cap space on Dubois is the right direction for the Habs at this point in the rebuild , IMO it should be an easy pass for GMKH .

 

[cphabs]

Drouin 2.0

 

[habsfan44]

Am I the only one to be worried about the fact, that, at 24 y old, it is already the 3rd time Dubois wants to move from a team?

In junior, Columbus and now Winnipeg. Are you insinuating that he isn't doing it because of his all encompassing love for the Montreal Canadians and his unbridled desire to play for them , and that he may have ulterior motives . In the immortal words of Greta Thunberg "how dare you" . !

 

[habsfan44]

We need a true elite player. That’s what is missing.

Kirby Dach might be that player , he has all the tools , size , speed , skill , shot and smarts . The only thing left is for him to put it all together , he's only 22 years old and it's early in the rebuild , we have the luxury of time to wait a year or two to see if he can achieve the status of elite player , the question is do we have the patience .

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Plus Caufield still has 1 more goal than Dubois with 22 less games played

Scoring goals is not a problem for Caufield. Playing a 2 way game is a problem for him. That explains why he was -24 in 21-22 and -10 in 22-23. He's improving defensivly but still in the minus.

Dubois isn't that bad in that department. He is average -2 or -6 in his career but this year he's +2.
Hockey is played both size. A team score goals and a team have goals scored against.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Kirby Dach might be that player , he has all the tools , size , speed , skill , shot and smarts . The only thing left is for him to put it all together , he's only 22 years old and it's early in the rebuild , we have the luxury of time to wait a year or two to see if he can achieve the status of elite player , the question is do we have the patience .

I beleive in Dach potential as long as he is not alone. Habs tends to bring young players without support and without true veterans to help them. Dach could learn from PLD, like I guess he learned from Monahan. PLD is a young veteran, he have the perfect age for the next 5 years of rebuilt..

 

[habsfan44]

I beleive in Dach potential as long as he is not alone. Habs tends to bring young players without support and without true veterans to help them. Dach could learn from PLD, like I guess he learned from Monahan. PLD is a young veteran, he have the perfect age for the next 5 years of rebuilt..

Dach needs to put it all together over the next couple of years and become the player that he was drafted to be , the player that the experts predicted he would be . He doesn't need somebody to hold his hand , he isn't a child .

 

[Benstheman]

A 1st and a 3rd for Dubois is a ridiculously low price.

We are lucky the Jets are cornered and that Dubois will be, by circumstances, available because if it was not of his contractual situation and desire to leave.

Dubois would be untouchable or the ask would be something like Suzuki or Slafkovsky or Caufield.

It is narrow minded to think that he will come for free in one year so why give an assets. We are talking about a top six player with strong intangibles who will improve our team. The interest is mutual.

Why let him rot another year in WPG? We should absolutely bring him home asap. That would go a very long way to start the relationship on the right way.

If the first is top 5, it is not a low price. I’d even argue a top 10 pick would be too much considering the situation and, like yourself said, how Jets are cornered.

On top of that, your pick could become 1st or 2nd overall with the lottery.

Other thing is, if you are sending an OS at 6,3M$ to PLD, it will be considered an under market salary for him. Which means you will probably have to compensate on his extension, if you have somehow an handshake agreement with him.

I don’t see it at all.

 

[Jaynki]

Are we counting his ability to disappear for long stretches as an intangible ? Remember earlier this season when he was on pace for a 90 point campaign , what's that pace now ? I don't think trading good picks & prospects plus spending valuable cap space on Dubois is the right direction for the Habs at this point in the rebuild , IMO it should be an easy pass for GMKH .

He is certainly not a perfect player. But i really think we could use a 24YO, 6ft3, 210lbs 60-70 points physical C/LW. He has a skillset that would complement Suzuki and Caufield pretty well.

What would be the good direction to go? Accumulating more Kidney/Beck/Mesar type?

If the first is top 5, it is not a low price. I’d even argue a top 10 pick would be too much considering the situation and, like yourself said, how Jets are cornered.

On top of that, your pick could become 1st or 2nd overall with the lottery.

Other thing is, if you are sending an OS at 6,3M$ to PLD, it will be considered an under market salary for him. Which means you will probably have to compensate on his extension, if you have somehow an handshake agreement with him.

I don’t see it at all.

Well, we agree on FLA 1st post-lottery ?

 

[FerrisRox]

It seems that some of the most ardent supporters of Dubois in this thread actually seem to know the least about him.

Some people are repeatedly calling him "physical" and presenting the idea that he will fill a void as a big, physical forward on this team.

While Dubois is by no stretch of the imagination soft, and he does have some strength, if people are pencilling him in to bring a big physical component to the Canadiens forward group they are going to be immensely disappointed.

 

[Benstheman]

He is certainly not a perfect player. But i really think we could use a 24YO, 6ft3, 210lbs 60-70 points physical C/LW. He has a skillset that would complement Suzuki and Caufield pretty well.

What would be the good direction to go? Accumulating more Kidney/Beck/Mesar type?


Well, we agree on FLA 1st post-lottery ?

Probably yeah. But personally, I would wait just before the pick, on the draft floor, to see what is left disponible. If we don’t like what’s left and if Jets can take a player they targeted, you do it then.

If the situation is not optimal on the draft floor, you revisit during the summer with the Calgary pick or Habs pick in 2024 (top 10 protected).

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

You won’t get a chance of drafting an actual 90 points player, by getting every 60 points player you can.

There's only like a 2% chance of drafting a 90 pt player outside the 1st overall pick.
Taking that small odd over a young big center that has the potential to score 70 pts makes no sense.

 

[Benstheman]

It seems that some of the most ardent supporters of Dubois in this thread actually seem to know the least about him.

Some people are repeatedly calling him "physical" and presenting the idea that he will fill a void as a big, physical forward on this team.

While Dubois is by no stretch of the imagination soft, and he does have some strength, if people are pencilling him in to bring a big physical component to the Canadiens forward group they are going to be immensely disappointed.

He his not overly physical but I compare him to Dach as he uses his big body well and is not pushed around easily. That’s all I need as a physical side. The so called physical guys are always on the sideline with injuries (see Anderson) and rarely play at 100% of their capacities. I don’t want that.

 

[Rapala]

He his not overly physical but I compare him to Dach as he uses his big body well and is not pushed around easily. That’s all I need as a physical side. The so called physical guys are always on the sideline with injuries (see Anderson) and rarely play at 100% of their capacities. I don’t want that.

Well both Matthew and Brady are considered physical and have a stellar attendance record. Why make stuff up?

 

[SlafySZN]

Scoring goals is not a problem for Caufield. Playing a 2 way game is a problem for him. That explains why he was -24 in 21-22 and -10 in 22-23. He's improving defensivly but still in the minus.

Dubois isn't that bad in that department. He is average -2 or -6 in his career but this year he's +2.
Hockey is played both size. A team score goals and a team have goals scored against.

I love when people goes on a rant like that.

That poster was talking about we didn’t have a sniper ‘’after Dubois’’ when Caufield literally has more goals than him and is a way better goal scorer than him. That was the point but thanks with your talk about the plus minus lol.

 

[rik schau]

Crouse is overatted too.

How so? what are your expectations of this player? what is he missing or doing in his game that compels you to say that.
The consensus from most fans is they all want him.

 

[SlafySZN]

Kirby Dach might be that player , he has all the tools , size , speed , skill , shot and smarts . The only thing left is for him to put it all together , he's only 22 years old and it's early in the rebuild , we have the luxury of time to wait a year or two to see if he can achieve the status of elite player , the question is do we have the patience .

Yes i agree, i always liked Dach and i think he can become a first line center and he has taken a good step this year in his development but we still need an elite player or two.

 

[BLONG7]

Scoring goals is not a problem for Caufield. Playing a 2 way game is a problem for him. That explains why he was -24 in 21-22 and -10 in 22-23. He's improving defensivly but still in the minus.

Dubois isn't that bad in that department. He is average -2 or -6 in his career but this year he's +2.
Hockey is played both size. A team score goals and a team have goals scored against.

Plus and minus is an indicator, but not the whole story.............even a guy like Danault is a -10 this year.
Interesting eh....Caufield has been on an awful team getting big time matchups....no way should his plus minus be something that gets looked at closely, in my opinion.

 

[Andy]

The habs have the assets to make a push for him. They have forward and defense depth in the prospect pool, as well as an extra 1st round pick.

High chance this trade happens.

 

[Andy]

I’ll also add that a top 6 of Caufield, Suzuki, Dach, Dubois is very strong. When you look at how old each is, it makes a lot of sense to make a push for PLD.

Then you have the possibility of adding Slafkovsky to the mix. There is a lot to look forward to with these 5 attackers.

 

[BLONG7]

A few of those marginal improvements at a few key positions and MON is a top-10 team in this League within three years, as well as perennial contender.

After Dubois, we lack a top-6 sniper and a top-6, puck-possession beast that can pass then puck on the wings.

We also need at least one shutdown D that can eventually lay with Hutson and a puck-moving D that can drive the play.

Lastly, we need a #1G.

Up front, it's unclear whether we can fill those needs from Roy, the Habs' 2023 first round pick and Slafkovsky.

Three possibilities for two spots. Farrell, IMO is too small for the roles.

A dark horse might be Heineman?

On D, I think we need to look outside the organization for that shutdown D that can eventually play with Hutson, but Mailloux, Hutson, or a combination of the two might address the other need for a play driving, puck-moving D.

The G, I fear, could become an albatross forth Habs, but a balanced lineup with skill should help minimize the need for a franchise G.

Lack a sniper.............Caufield was on pace for 40 plus this year................at the old age of 21? 22? Gotta think our sniper is in house.............
Our young D will also sort itself out, one will develop into a #1 D and it will be Guhlie, and our shutdown D will be The Sherriff.
The goalie will be a real tough one............

We are on the way folks....