Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[McGuires Corndog]

Just imagine MB was still GM though.

Cheveldeoff: We hear you’d like to trade for PLD? How about we trade him to you for Caufield?
Bergevin: When you get offered PLD, you don’t ask for more.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Yeah Dubois contract has to be right.


What does that even mean?

That Dach is a #1

 

[26Mats]

Getting PLD a year sooner, would be of interest to me, as long as we don't gut ourselves of picks and prospects...
For me, it's just that simple. If they want too much, then offersheet him and it forces them to say yes and match, which then means they get nothing for him since they are not allowed to trade him for a full year, which takes him to UFA.
If they say no, we get him for what the compensation says, based on an offer sheet. Which would be picks? Not sure if the habs offersheet him at 7M what goes back the other way...

Good idea, but I don't think offer sheet picks can be lottery protected. So they may get our 2024 1st, unprotected.

I grew up in Winnipeg and went to see the Jets v 1.0 regularly with my dad. I haven't been back in a while but my relatives are saying it's getting bad these past few years especially in the city center.

what's getting bad.

 

[CrAzYNiNe]

what's getting bad.

I believe it may be poverty and violence. I believe Winnipeg is top5 most violent city in Canada.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

This guy said that Dach would play over Suzuki which will never happen

How is that important Dach over Suzuki? because some are fan of Suzuki and oh sacrilege if ever another player take his place OMG OMG !!? Do we have fans of Montreal Habs or fans or x or y player? If Dach become better than Suzuki, naturally he will have more minutes ans maybe better linemates. This is all maybe, with time and why care about this?

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

How is that important Dach over Suzuki? because some are fan of Suzuki and oh sacrilege if ever another player take his place OMG OMG !!? Do we have fans of Montreal Habs or fans or x or y player? If Dach become better than Suzuki, naturally he will have more minutes ans maybe better linemates. This is all maybe, with time and why care about this?

It's important because Dach is not a first liner and if we want an actual team , this guy is not on ur top line

 

[SlafySZN]

It's important because Dach is not a first liner and if we want an actual team , this guy is not on ur top line

Yeah, you must be right, Dach won't ever get better.

Oh well, he is what he is at barely 22, no more room for growth

Suzuki is not a first line C right now either but i guess we won't see you admit that.

 

[SlafySZN]

Delete

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Yeah, you must be right, Dach won't ever get better.

Oh well, he is what he is at barely 22, no more room for growth

Suzuki is not a first line C right now either but i guess we won't see you admit that.

yeah man when hes gonna hit 26 hes gonna be a 125 points player duh

 

[TomKosto]

Yeah, you must be right, Dach won't ever get better.

Oh well, he is what he is at barely 22, no more room for growth

Suzuki is not a first line C right now either but i guess we won't see you admit that.

Players stop evolving at 21, some poster said it in the draft thread.

 

[SlafySZN]

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[Boss Man Hughes]

yeah man when hes gonna hit 26 hes gonna be a 125 points player duh

WHAT are you talking about?????

 

[Belial]

WHAT are you talking about?????

You have to hit 125 points to be considered a first-line player!!!

 

[SlafySZN]

You have to hit 125 points to be considered a first-line player!!!

So Suzuki is half a 1C since he got 61 points

 

[SlafySZN]

Peter the wood.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

WHAT are you talking about?????

Im saying that Dach is not a first line center. What's so complicated to understand

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

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Nick Suzuki has been the go way for 3 years (since his first playoff run) He's been feeding assists like there is no tomorrow and can handle 23-24min a game and have been playing without his wingers for 2 years while getting 60+ points. With Caufield and another Winger being healthy they can easily rack up 80+.


As for Dach is not the main point of his line. He's a good complimentary player to complete a duo. It's like you say that Dach is ur waytogo guy since some u think he should be playing over Dach.

But I guess you can keep your sarcasm if you bring absolutely 0 opinion why he should be over Suzuki.

 

[SlafySZN]

Nick Suzuki has been the go way for 3 years (since his first playoff run) He's been feeding assists like there is no tomorrow and can handle 23-24min a game and have been playing without his wingers for 2 years while getting 60+ points. With Caufield and another Winger being healthy they can easily rack up 80+.

As for Dach is not the main point of his line. He's a good complimentary player to complete a duo. It's like you say that Dach is ur waytogo guy since some u think he should be playing over Dach.

But I guess you can keep your sarcasm if you bring absolutely 0 opinion why he should be over Suzuki.

False. At center he is 100% the line driver, type of player you forget who he is playing with.

People keep saying when Suzuki’s gonna have this or that he’ll score 80 points +. Yes he’s not playing with incredible players this year but if he was a ‘’legit’’ first line center we would see more flashes by himself, not the points but his type of game in general.

I also don’t really understand why it bothers you if Dach becomes better than Suzuki, it would just be a good thing. because if the habs wants to compete they’ll need at least 1 player better than Suzuki, Dach and even Caufield anyway.

That said this thread should get back to PLD.

 

[nhlfan9191]

False. At center he is 100% the line driver, type of player you forget who he is playing with.

People keep saying when Suzuki’s gonna have this or that he’ll score 80 points +. Yes he’s not playing with incredible players this year but if he was a ‘’legit’’ first line center we would see more flashes by himself, not the points but his type of game in general.

I also don’t really understand why it bothers you if Dach becomes better than Suzuki, it would just be a good thing. because if the habs wants to compete they’ll need at least 1 player better than Suzuki, Dach and even Caufield anyway.

That said this thread should get back to PLD.

Dach could become a better point producer at some point, but Suzuki has intangibles which will make him the superior player imo. It’s the reason I don’t see Dubois as a huge need. We have the perfect 1/2 c in Suzuki. What we really need is that PPG+ center if we want to be contenders which is not Dubois.

 

[Guy Larose]

WHAT are you talking about?????

He doesn't even know himself. He's the king of bad takes around here.

 

[BLONG7]

The compensation for signing him to an offer sheet would be too high a price to pay for getting him 1 year early.

Which they would obviously work out and long term deal as this was going down......they would not want him for 1 year.

 

[Jaynki]

A 1st and a 3rd for Dubois is a ridiculously low price.

We are lucky the Jets are cornered and that Dubois will be, by circumstances, available because if it was not of his contractual situation and desire to leave.

Dubois would be untouchable or the ask would be something like Suzuki or Slafkovsky or Caufield.

It is narrow minded to think that he will come for free in one year so why give an assets. We are talking about a top six player with strong intangibles who will improve our team. The interest is mutual.

Why let him rot another year in WPG? We should absolutely bring him home asap. That would go a very long way to start the relationship on the right way.

 

[BaseballCoach]

A 1st and a 3rd for Dubois is a ridiculously low price.

We are lucky the Jets are cornered and that Dubois will be, by circumstances, available because if it was not of his contractual situation and desire to leave.

Dubois would be untouchable or the ask would be something like Suzuki or Slafkovsky or Caufield.

It is narrow minded to think that he will come for free in one year so why give an assets. We are talking about a top six player with strong intangibles who will improve our team. The interest is mutual.

Why let him rot another year in WPG? We should absolutely bring him home asap. That would go a very long way to start the relationship on the right way.

Very little risk to the offer sheet move, if Dubois prior to July 5th is willing to sign one year at $6.3M after signing last year for $6.0M.

If the offer sheet is signed, Winnipeg cannot get any trade value for him if they choose to match. No other team will have the chance to get him, play him, win some, and woo him to extend.

And it will be clear to all 31 rival GMs that the smoke about Dubois to MTL is real.

The offer sheet is only tabled on the condition that Dubois signs an extension Jan 1st. Agents can be trusted if the condition is crystal clear, as it was with KK for example.

 

[jaffy27]

Players stop evolving at 21, some poster said it in the draft thread.

Some poster finding their inner Don Lemon

 

[26Mats]

Dach could become a better point producer at some point, but Suzuki has intangibles which will make him the superior player imo. It’s the reason I don’t see Dubois as a huge need. We have the perfect 1/2 c in Suzuki. What we really need is that PPG+ center if we want to be contenders which is not Dubois.

Right now it would be great for all our young wingers to develop with a center line of Suzuki-Davh-Dubois-Evans. That would be much better than having Dvo in the 3 hole. If we ever get that elite 1c, then Dubois can be moved to the wing or a trade can be made.

Here are all those young wingers that I'd rather not pkay with Dvo:

Caufield-Slaf
Farrell-Gurianov
RHP-Anderson
Heineman-Ylonen

And more on the way (Roy, Kidney, Mesar, 2023 draft class,...)