Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Heffyhoof]

I was reading the main board and it's very weird that some Jets fans seem to have it in their heads that this is way more than rental value. In fact they claim it's full 8 year contract value, which it's not.

Not sure when the deadline of having a player belong to your team and being able to make the 8 year contract is, as he'd be an unsigned RFA belonging to Montreal at that point, but we could just sign him for 7 years, 1 less. They're too busy arguing with the few Montreal fans left in there to think I guess.

 

[Colezuki]

I was reading the main board and it's very weird that some Jets fans seem to have it in their heads that this is way more than rental value. In fact they claim it's full 8 year contract value, which it's not.

Not sure when the deadline of having a player belong to your team and being able to make the 8 year contract is, as he'd be an unsigned RFA belonging to Montreal at that point, but we could just sign him for 7 years, 1 less. They're too busy arguing with the few Montreal fans left in there to think I guess.

There in full cope mode, they think there getting full value

 

[ReHabs]

I was reading the main board and it's very weird that some Jets fans seem to have it in their heads that this is way more than rental value. In fact they claim it's full 8 year contract value, which it's not.

Not sure when the deadline of having a player belong to your team and being able to make the 8 year contract is, as he'd be an unsigned RFA belonging to Montreal at that point, but we could just sign him for 7 years, 1 less. They're too busy arguing with the few Montreal fans left in there to think I guess.

PLD is very likely to be traded in a sign-and-trade or trade-and-sign but the fact is RFA Kevin Fiala was moved just last year and that's the benchmark (give or take). The difference in acquisition cost between a player with term and a player without term isn't so much either -- buying teams don't like term and cannot account for it usually.

WPG fans are scared their organization is on the verge of collapse and that's an unfortunate fact they have to face. Winnipeg is a not a player destination, the market is small, the city pretty much is the worst major city in Canada, and their organization has a lot of bad mojo. Ticket sales are a concern as are season ticket renewals. They can't risk tanking and rebuilding but they can't get the appropriate value if they have a firesale. It's a tough position they find themselves and their fans will take it out on other fans who comment on WPG's players.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

PLD is very likely to be traded in a sign-and-trade or trade-and-sign but the fact is RFA Kevin Fiala was moved just last year and that's the benchmark (give or take). The difference in acquisition cost between a player with term and a player without term isn't so much either -- buying teams don't like term and cannot account for it usually.

WPG fans are scared their organization is on the verge of collapse and that's an unfortunate fact they have to face. Winnipeg is a not a player destination, the market is small, the city pretty much is the worst major city in Canada, and their organization has a lot of bad mojo. Ticket sales are a concern as are season ticket renewals. They can't risk tanking and rebuilding but they can't get the appropriate value if they have a firesale. It's a tough position they find themselves and their fans will take it out on other fans who comment on WPG's players.

A LOT of crime and poverty in Winnipeg to boot. Always top 5 worst in Canada in the last decade.

 

[BLONG7]

PLD is very likely to be traded in a sign-and-trade or trade-and-sign but the fact is RFA Kevin Fiala was moved just last year and that's the benchmark (give or take). The difference in acquisition cost between a player with term and a player without term isn't so much either -- buying teams don't like term and cannot account for it usually.

WPG fans are scared their organization is on the verge of collapse and that's an unfortunate fact they have to face. Winnipeg is a not a player destination, the market is small, the city pretty much is the worst major city in Canada, and their organization has a lot of bad mojo. Ticket sales are a concern as are season ticket renewals. They can't risk tanking and rebuilding but they can't get the appropriate value if they have a firesale. It's a tough position they find themselves and their fans will take it out on other fans who comment on WPG's players.

Their current scenario is not good...........
I sure hope they can survive a rebuild..............that said, Arizona has been surviving for years, on fumes.

 

[salbutera]

Their current scenario is not good...........
I sure hope they can survive a rebuild..............that said, Arizona has been surviving for years, on fumes.

IF Az ever get a proper owner and play in Phoenix downtown…. there’s huge potential which is why NHL hasn’t bailed. Especially with a new Suns owner ..

Winter-peg has limited financial growth potential - it’s not just about the hockey team it’s adjacent business growth opportunities by leveraging the team

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Their current scenario is not good...........
I sure hope they can survive a rebuild..............that said, Arizona has been surviving for years, on fumes.

Bettman is the champion to keep unsustainables nhl organisations operational, to a point it's ridiculous, ex Arz.

 

[austin316]

I was reading the main board and it's very weird that some Jets fans seem to have it in their heads that this is way more than rental value. In fact they claim it's full 8 year contract value, which it's not.

Not sure when the deadline of having a player belong to your team and being able to make the 8 year contract is, as he'd be an unsigned RFA belonging to Montreal at that point, but we could just sign him for 7 years, 1 less. They're too busy arguing with the few Montreal fans left in there to think I guess.

PLD will go for full value, that I have no doubt

 

[Gustave]

PLD will go for full value, that I have no doubt

The debate resides here; « full » value seems weird since Jets fans bash him to no end but make his value like a consistent top 3 player.

Here it’s no better since the bashers don’t like him at all therefore don’t want to give up something substantial and the boosters think they have to give up close to nothing since he narrowed significantly where he’s traded. So the two come together in a low return for different reasons

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

IF Az ever get a proper owner and play in Phoenix downtown…. there’s huge potential which is why NHL hasn’t bailed. Especially with a new Suns owner ..

Winter-peg has limited financial growth potential - it’s not just about the hockey team it’s adjacent business growth opportunities by leveraging the team

Every other big cities in Canada have growing expansive condos everywhere, Winter-Peg have none or very few.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Every other big cities in Canada have growing expansive condos everywhere, Winter-Peg have none or very few.

They have an ownership group amongst the richest in the NHL, doubt financial concerns are their problem, more piss poor management lead by a GM who overstayed his time, and by rights should have been suspended by the NHL for what happened in Chicago. No wonder there is a lousy team culture when you see him getting a pass for his transgressions.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Still odd that he would limit the list to 4 and exclude Florida & Tampa…

I don't believe he has. Think it's all non-tax income teams excluding Seattle, and his hometown.

So Florida & TB too.

Problem is non of those teams really have cap space for him. Maybe Detroit, but like Montreal with PLD, I don't see them paying a premium for him.

Teams aren't going to get what they think they will with these players.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

They have an ownership group amongst the richest in the NHL, doubt financial concerns are their problem, more piss poor management lead by a GM who overstayed his time, and by rights should have been suspended by the NHL for what happened in Chicago. No wonder there is a lousy team culture when you see him getting a pass for his transgressions.

I know owners are rich, very rich but they can't change the city that is not a welcoming place. Outside some safe spaces, it's a dangerous city with high rate of crime. The winter is terrible and the moskitos in summer are huge. If a player wants a place to raise his children, Wnp is not a good place.

I didn't know about the gm, it's just another layer on this toxic team. Paul Maurice resigned 2 years ago in the middle of the season, he got to a point of fed-up to cut bridges with this team. And Bett keep that organisation without doing anything. Typical of him.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Happy 25th birthday to the maybe-or-maybe-not future Hab.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Happy 25th birthday to the maybe-or-maybe-not future Hab.

Only 2 days before mine, it has to be a sign

 

[A55P2]

I don't know if this has been discussed before or even if this would be considered fair. But would PLD + 18th for 5th be considered a somewhat adequate deal or would it generally be considered a bad deal?

 

[salbutera]

Every other big cities in Canada have growing expansive condos everywhere, Winter-Peg have none or very few.

It’s a pure numbers game nothing more: US is 10x the population of Canada w an even more disproportionate ratio of high disposable income population + corporate capability.

Metro Phoenix is 10th largest population in U.S. w approx 5M people vs < 850K for Winter-peg. We’re talking about filling a 20K arena to 90% capacity most importantly luxury boxes. It can easily be done … even in Az.

TBay was as barren when the wonder twins owned the team 10-years ago, Vinik bought the team and was granted the adjacent harbor front neighborhood which has since been developed spectacularly, same Pegula in Buf.

There’s lots of precedence … but all in the US.

 

[BergevinBurner]

I don't know if this has been discussed before or even if this would be considered fair. But would PLD + 18th for 5th be considered a somewhat adequate deal or would it generally be considered a bad deal?

Value-wise it's not far fetched, but I don't think Hughes would consider moving back that much.
At 5th we have a good chance of getting someone better than PLD at a much lower cap hit. If it's Smith then he'll be on an ELC from 2024-25 to 2026-27 and if it's Michkov then he'd be on an ELC from 2026-27 til 2028-29.

We should be competing in both of those windows and having a potential top 6 guy on an ELC could go a long way to building a contender.

 

[Vachon23]

 

[BLONG7]

Happy 25th birthday to the maybe-or-maybe-not future Hab.

Ahhhhhhhhhhh, you just had to.

The posters who love this guy, can no longer say he is 24 anymore!! LOL

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I don't know if this has been discussed before or even if this would be considered fair. But would PLD + 18th for 5th be considered a somewhat adequate deal or would it generally be considered a bad deal?

That means resign on Leonard or possibly Michkov and Smith. Even Benson and Reinbacher look promising too.

 

[sampollock]

A LOT of crime and poverty in Winnipeg to boot. Always top 5 worst in Canada in the last decade.

I've attended in 7 years in a row to see the Habs in Winnipeg
Stay downtown next to the rink every time the downtown is absolutely a disaster.

No offense but when you come out of a big hotel right beside the rink and you look across the street and there's a huge Dollarama downtown you know what type of city and downtown core you're surrounded in

Few years back Air Canada pulled out from staying in that hotel because he didn't want to overnight the flight attendants there because of the crime and the surroundings on the streets.

Winnipeg mayor went ballistic but in fact it's real and it just became public knowledge even more when Air Canada made a stink and moved away from downtown

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Haha for months Jets fans were flaunting their astronomically massive 6 team list they can move him to in our faces , now it's slowly dwindling down team by team as St Jean has fallen upon us and Caufield and PK have realised their mission of *amadouer* Pierre Luc Dubois into coming here for a team friendly deal this summer

 

[sampollock]

I truly think this PLD story is dead unless Winnipeg comes around and really lowers their standards of what they want back.

These past 6 months of talking about this will be all for not

 

[nhlfan9191]

Ahhhhhhhhhhh, you just had to.

The posters who love this guy, can no longer say he is 24 anymore!! LOL

It drove me nuts how some posters would misleadingly use the age 24 as a sale pitch to hype him up.