Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

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“Would you rather that the Habs trade for Dubois or instead wait and try to sign him when he becomes


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Pat Brisson has been a LA boy for years now. Time and time again he could have come in to be the Habs' GM and he declined. And he screwed us over a few times with his clients. I wouldn't trust him just cause those those pictures look enticing. I am afraid he'll try to lure Dubois to LA.
What are you talking about? He wouldn't give up almost half a billion dollars of Salary committments (AKA $15M in Commission a year) to run a team for <$5M a season?

He's also multiple times had players sign long term wiht us, evne in just the last few years, Toffoli and Caufield and now is trying to get Dubois here
 
Marek and Friedman discuss is Montreal wants to get in a bidding war with LA and how much they are willing to give in a contract

 
The Athletic -

But the Canadiens’ management team of Kent Hughes and Jeff Gorton have repeatedly cited the trade they swung to acquire Dach as something they would like to repeat this offseason. They believe in Dach as an important part of the Canadiens’ future and as a centre. He is, in many ways, the poster child for how they want to do business, a player who was undervalued by another organization who they developed into something more than he was in his previous stop. To the Canadiens, the Dach story is an important message to other players who have failed to reach their full potential that they can do that in Montreal. He is the prime example of what working under Martin St. Louis and the Canadiens development staff can do for your career. His importance is far greater than simply what he does on the ice.

The Canadiens seem somewhat reticent to pay too much for Dubois. He might not get the $9 million he is seeking, but the Canadiens are not likely to be interested in anything close to that number. The Bratt contract seems closer to what they would be willing to do, but the fact Dubois can play centre and has more of a power-forward profile at 6-foot-2 and 205 pounds means he can make the argument he is worth quite a bit more than that, despite the similar numbers. If the Canadiens are willing to go to $8.5 million, or Roope Hintz money, that might make it work. But would the other teams on Dubois’ list be willing to go higher? It’s entirely possible.
Roope Hintz hs been better offensively.

Maximum to pay Dubois if it were up to me is Cole Caufield money.
 
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Roope Hintz hs been better offensively.

Maximum to pay Dubois if it were up to me is Cole Caufield money.

You got two posters (who typically don't agree) trying to tell you that Hintz is a good benchmark for Dubois. Center compared to center. Hintz has been better offensively but it's much deeper than just points. I think it's time to stop comparing him to wingers. Caufield is a bad example. He's mostly RFA years. Bratt is closer with the RFA/UFA years but he's also a winger.

The other angle is what we can offer in signing bonus structure. I believe Hintz got $12M total. If we offer $30M+ in the singing bonus structure, we might be able to get that number closer to $8M.

NHL.com has Dubois listed as a LW. Is that why you are comparing him to wingers?
 
Pat Brisson has been a LA boy for years now. Time and time again he could have come in to be the Habs' GM and he declined. And he screwed us over a few times with his clients. I wouldn't trust him just cause those those pictures look enticing. I am afraid he'll try to lure Dubois to LA.
FWIW - Brissons kids live with his ex-wife in LA, he’s refused NHL management jobs including Pens GM gig at the time offered by his good friend Mario because he refuses to be away from his kids.

Just to say it’s not so black & white…
 
If the Jets want NHL players as the main pieces and Anderson does not have the Jets on his NTC list. Maybe we offer Anderson, Dvorak (with retention) and Kidney.

Anderson and Dvorak totaling $8.5M max. That would bring Dvorak's cap hit for two more years down to $3M. Kidney added as a future center prospect. B or B+ type putting up top end Q numbers since he was 18.

Personally, I don't like the idea of the Habs trading Anderson. I'm a big fan of his game and yeah, I know he is not consistent but man, when he is on, he is on. And he does show up in big games.

If I was to guess the unpredictable trade:
* Anderson
* Dvorak (retention down to $3M)
* Kidney
* Habs early 4th rounder (pick 101 I believe).
 
The Athletic -

But the Canadiens’ management team of Kent Hughes and Jeff Gorton have repeatedly cited the trade they swung to acquire Dach as something they would like to repeat this offseason. They believe in Dach as an important part of the Canadiens’ future and as a centre. He is, in many ways, the poster child for how they want to do business, a player who was undervalued by another organization who they developed into something more than he was in his previous stop. To the Canadiens, the Dach story is an important message to other players who have failed to reach their full potential that they can do that in Montreal. He is the prime example of what working under Martin St. Louis and the Canadiens development staff can do for your career. His importance is far greater than simply what he does on the ice.

The Canadiens seem somewhat reticent to pay too much for Dubois. He might not get the $9 million he is seeking, but the Canadiens are not likely to be interested in anything close to that number. The Bratt contract seems closer to what they would be willing to do, but the fact Dubois can play centre and has more of a power-forward profile at 6-foot-2 and 205 pounds means he can make the argument he is worth quite a bit more than that, despite the similar numbers. If the Canadiens are willing to go to $8.5 million, or Roope Hintz money, that might make it work. But would the other teams on Dubois’ list be willing to go higher? It’s entirely possible.

I doubt anyone goes above $8.5m. Horvat money is the absolute top most he should make, and even Lamoriello said that was too much money for Horvat.

Bratt to Horvat is his range.
 
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250 no, but if a 24 year old 6'4 power forward/Centre said he wanted to be a Hab we would likely still have a massive thread.
True................that being said, we still do not know for certain, if he wants the habs, or he has used the habs to up the ante so to speak.
Brisson and PLD have been pretty timely with thier nuggets dropped, knowing full well the media in Montreal will go beserk...................and now the fans are on it too.
 
You got two posters (who typically don't agree) trying to tell you that Hintz is a good benchmark for Dubois. Center compared to center. Hintz has been better offensively but it's much deeper than just points. I think it's time to stop comparing him to wingers. Caufield is a bad example. He's mostly RFA years. Bratt is closer with the RFA/UFA years but he's also a winger.

The other angle is what we can offer in signing bonus structure. I believe Hintz got $12M total. If we offer $30M+ in the singing bonus structure, we might be able to get that number closer to $8M.

NHL.com has Dubois listed as a LW. Is that why you are comparing him to wingers?

Lol, Quebecor's wetdream

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You got two posters (who typically don't agree) trying to tell you that Hintz is a good benchmark for Dubois. Center compared to center. Hintz has been better offensively but it's much deeper than just points. I think it's time to stop comparing him to wingers. Caufield is a bad example. He's mostly RFA years. Bratt is closer with the RFA/UFA years but he's also a winger.

The other angle is what we can offer in signing bonus structure. I believe Hintz got $12M total. If we offer $30M+ in the singing bonus structure, we might be able to get that number closer to $8M.

NHL.com has Dubois listed as a LW. Is that why you are comparing him to wingers?
The bolded is pure assertion.

There is no player in the league whose career max is 63 points and 28 goals getting $8.5M or $9M. Not even if that player plays only in the middle 10 feet of the rink.
 
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If PLD is not a free agent next year than he is only using the Habs angle as leverage to get more money on a longer deal.
A good player his age usually gets a long-term deal. If he has 5-6 teams on his list, then 4-5 can claim "he was only using us as leverage". It's lame.

What I don't understand is people thinking Dubois owes the Habs a special favour. Why?
 
The "using the habs as leverage" argument is unfounded and makes no sense.
Yeah because top flight Agents won't stoop that low. It's just a coincidence that he's popping up all over the place on social media :help:
Someone is spoon feeding the media who might that be.
 
A good player his age usually gets a long-term deal. If he has 5-6 teams on his list, then 4-5 can claim "he was only using us as leverage". It's lame.

What I don't understand is people thinking Dubois owes the Habs a special favour. Why?
Don’t you get it, John Tavares owed the Leafs a special favor…hometown discount of $11M, happens all the time, players owing special favors for “their team”.

It’s the players friggin livelihood & business, if I was a parent I’d bitch slap my kid for not maximizing earnings - never know when the career ending injury occurs or career suddenly ends.

Owe a favor!! Pffff

The "using the habs as leverage" argument is unfounded and makes no sense.
I’m sure Kent Hughes used teams as leverage many a time over the course of his agent career, and knows the tell tale sign
 
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