Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[HomaridII]

Are we? Other than on this board, I'm not hearing too much about it.

The media says he's not looking to sign a one year contract, and that Montreal is among the teams he'd like to play for. I feel like this is actually way calmer than I would've expected based on how things normally go with this team.

That said, I've admittedly been using Twitter way less than I used to, so maybe people on there are going a little nuts..

Twitter is very calm about it.

Other than here, situation normal.

 

[EveryDay]

So is PLD keen on going to LA?
btw - i think Barron is definitely a focus of the Jets with his brother already on the team

I don't think Winnipeg need another defenceman in that deal, they need forwards and goaltender.

Dvorak
Beck
Montembeault
1st 2023 FLA

For

Dubois

 

[HuGo Sham]

First of all, PLD is more a 65-70 pts and I do projet him being a 70 pts + player.

We have a way better idea of what Barron is then when we traded Sergachev and we didn't trade him for a center. Plus PLD >>>>>>>> Drouin

Or you can trade Barron and acquiring one after like Adam Boqvist (or draft Reinbacher)

Big PF that can produce like PLD and give you C/LW versatility is really valuable.

I do like Justin Barron and he was the prospect I was targeting when we where looking to trade Lehkonen so I was really happy with the trade but I don't think he's more then a 2nd pair guy. Is he valuable ? of course that's why Winnipeg would be interested but he can be replaceable and PLD is way more valuable

just don't trade Xekaj

so Barron, Edmundson, Fla 1st and habs 2nd
maybe Dvorak in there somewhere

I don't think Winnipeg need another defenceman in that deal, they need forwards and goaltender.

Dvorak
Beck
Montembeault
1st 2023 FLA

For

Dubois

ooooh that's a lot

He was on pace for a 70 pts season this year and he's still young, no reason he can't do it. He's going to be well surrounded in MTL too

I would't force Reinbacher, I would draft him because I think he's the one that will be the most valuable for the Habs.

If I could deal Harris by exemple before Barron, I would do it but if it's really what it takes I would do it.

Kovacevic can be that 3rd or that's something you can find on UFA.

i also think a neglected part of this is that Marty was a player development coach in columbus and PLD loved him

 

[SwiftyHab]

Twitter is very calm about it.

Other than here, situation normal.

We’ve been through all the stages of PLD here: intrigued, hopeful, questioning, excited, aggrieved, jaded, and I think we’re at acceptance now.

 

[Paul Dipietro]

Just the mere fact that we went from a potential "free" UFA signing in 1 season to a shotgun wedding sign and trade situation is enough for me to say no thank you

 

[EveryDay]

just don't trade Xekaj

so Barron, Edmundson, Fla 1st and habs 2nd
maybe Dvorak in there somewhere


ooooh that's a lot


i also think a neglected part of this is that Marty was a player development coach in columbus and PLD loved him

Well they want to compete and Dvorak and Montembeault will definitely help for that, a really late 1st and a good young C prospect might get the deal done and beat LA offer.

 

[Runner77]

I'm not trying to be a Debby downer for all the fans that want PLD but this is the second NHL team that will be trading him because he wants a fresh start, some potential trade partners might be wary of acquiring him for that very reason.

The one constant in his quest to leave both franchises is that he always wanted to be in Montreal. I remember a report from his days in Columbus when a teammate of his had confirmed it.

It’s worth what it’s worth but it’s not as if he was just leaving for money, taxes, a sunbelt destination, to be incognito somewhere or whatnot — he seems to want to be in the hotbed of hockey franchises. How often have we seen a top 6 player actually choose the Habs?

 

[HuGo Sham]

The one constant in his quest to leave both franchises is that he always wanted to be in Montreal. I remember a report from his days in Columbus when a teammate of his had confirmed it.

It’s worth what it’s worth but it’s not as if he was just leaving for money, taxes, a sunbelt destination, to be incognito somewhere or whatnot — he seems to want to be in the hotbed of hockey franchises. How often have we seen a top 6 player actually choose the Habs?

the smoke is too thick...his buddies savard and Anderson, lives here, habs fan growing up...he loves MSL..
that being said we've been f***ed by this before with lecavalier, briere, etc -
where it simply doesn't happen

 

[Runner77]

the smoke is too thick...his buddies savard and Anderson, lives here, habs fan growing up...he loves MSL..
that being said we've been f***ed by this before with lecavalier, briere, etc -
where it simply doesn't happen

The difference is that the Habs were chasing Lecavalier and Brière (and even Lapointe, who used the Habs to get a better deal elsewhere as I recall).

But with Dubois, we have a reverse situation — he appears amenable to committing to the Habs. That commitment would be reflected in a sign and trade deal.

 

[Noble]

LA can have the better offer, it really only matters if Dubois wants to sign the 8 year deal though. If the whole 5-6 team sign and trade thing is all smoke and mirrors by Brisson to put the pressure on Chevy and Hughes, then we'll find out soon. If Dubois and his camp are bluffing and really only want Montreal, then that big LA offer won't matter at all.

LA's potential big offer doesn't change my opinion that I wouldn't give up a big return for Dubois. If he decides he wants to sign with LA, oh well, we stay the course.

 

[HuGo Sham]

The difference is that the Habs were chasing Lecavalier and Brière (and even Lapointe, who used the Habs to get a better deal elsewhere as I recall).

But with Dubois, we have a reverse situation — he appears amenable to committing to the Habs. That commitment would be reflected in a sign and trade deal.

I hope you're right my friend

 

[Vachon23]

As a winger or as a center? Maybe we will sign Dubois and give him Caufield. Or maybe we displace Dach. A lot has to happen for Dubois to hit his 70 pts.
Do we want to mess with our current place holders and risk their progression? This has to be considered.

PLD can play both what bring versatility. I see him winger if everyone is healthy, but if one of Suzuki/Dach is injured, then you have someone that can easily plays center on a top 6.

What place holder ? Guys like Hoffman, Pitlick, Armia, Drouin, Gurianov/Dadonov, RHP (love him but he's not a top 6) all played on the top 6 last year. It's not like if he have a lot of talent...

Was your sense that this decision is imminent? Or do you reckon it would happen at/after the draft?

Yes it was imminent, would be surprise if it's not done before the draft (or at the draft)

Only way he is well surrounded in Montreal is if he gets the Desharnais treatment, and Suzuki gets the Koivu special, i.e. PLD getting to play between Caufield and Dach.

You wouldn't force Reinbacher but would select him over the better players because he is more valuable. That is drafting for need and not BPA.

I still don't get this love for Dubois, by the time the rest of the team is ready to compete in 2-3 years he will be a shadow of the player he is today, which is not a superstar. A guy who is a PPG currently and will become a 60 point player is a different story. No use for the next Gallagher then. and getting to watch him in his 30's will be even more painful. For me he is a luxury not a need currently, If he signs a 5 year deal maybe I could live with acquiring him, but not 8 years, and not at any cost like many here believe.

I see him as a perfect fit with Suzuki and Caufield, he's the style of player they need

I would select Reinbacher because I would consider him the BPA point. He could easily be the BPA when we will draft

Dubois is 1 year older then Suzuki, in 3 years he's gonna be 27 where he's gonna be in his prime. Gally was sign when he was 29 when he sign that contrat not sure why you compare those 2 contracts, it dosent make any sense. At PLD age, Gally sign his 6 years 22,5m contract what was great value for us. In 8 years, he's gonna have 32 where he will still be a good player.

Just the mere fact that we went from a potential "free" UFA signing in 1 season to a shotgun wedding sign and trade situation is enough for me to say no thank you

Every one thinking we where going to have him for free on the UFA market where just dreaming to be honest

 

[Rapala]

What place holder

I'm talking Suzuki Dach. Lord knows the wingers aren't an issue. Having a second C on the wing is definitely a plus is he amenable to signing as a winger. I know that is where I'd ask him to play.

 

[Team_Spirit]

LA just traded for Fiala and they have serious holes on D + goalie.

Odds are they called for Norrisey or Halleyzina

Brisson leak 1000%.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Honestly would like to keep Hutson. If they don't but on a fair trade, I say move on and wait until he inevitably hits FA or buy his rights after next season to extend longer.

Hughes is smart not to bite on a ridiculous proposal by Chevy but if he's offering fair compensation and Chevy isn't budging, he's obviously negotiating in bad faith because he got fleeced for Laine and Roslovic for nothing at this point. He's probably looking at the trade as I need fair compensation for what I gave up to Columbus. Unfortunately, no NHL team will budge to such ridiculous demands


I honestly don't think he'll screw the Habs by signing high. Dude can make up that money easy in Quebec endorsements as the only French speaking star on the team. 1 mil less at 7.85 won't ruin him

Don't worry. The Jets are not going to drool over the undersized D man. Regardless of his point totals in the NCAA.

Habs will stay in the mix but if the cost grows more than the Horvat and Trouba trades, I don't see us going any deeper.

I'm talking Suzuki Dach. Lord knows the wingers aren't an issue. Having a second C on the wing is definitely a plus is he amenable to signing as a winger. I know that is where I'd ask him to play.

Why can't both Dach and Dubois play center or wing depending on circumstance? Did we ruin Dach this past year by playing him at both center and wing? NO. This whole "develop properly" narrative is a myth.

I personally really like the idea of Dach on Dubois line. Dubois takes the faceoffs and Dach handles more of the puck possession after the puck is dropped.

 

[Vachon23]

I'm talking Suzuki Dach. Lord knows the wingers aren't an issue. Having a second C on the wing is definitely a plus is he amenable to signing as a winger. I know that is where I'd ask him to play.

He won't take there place though, at the opposite he would help them. We don't have a player that bring what he brings in the team either in the system.

Not only he would bring flexibility if they are injuries, but he's a LH at the opposite of Suzuki/Dach who are LH so we could use Suzuki and PLD in there strong side for the draws.

He would bring that big net presence that we baldy need on the PP too

 

[BLONG7]

He's not Patrice Bergeron, he doesn't have that defensive game

All being said, it's totally normal that a player U25 have problem with constancy and I don't have a doubt Suzuki is gonna be a great player for us

Hence, we said Bergeron lite............he needs to be better in his own end, and get the face offs up past 50% night in night out......
Suzuki is a great player, but has game to work on....

 

[Vachon23]

Hence, we said Bergeron lite............he needs to be better in his own end, and get the face offs up past 50% night in night out......
Suzuki is a great player, but has game to work on....

What is totally normal for a player U25

Same with PLD

They will gain experience and maturity and that will translate in there game

 

[HuGo Sham]

What is totally normal for a player U25

Same with PLD

They will gain experience and maturity and that will translate in there game

you're making it sound like it's a done deal!

 

[Vachon23]

you're making it sound like it's a done deal!

I don't have any new info since what I shared this weekend and I will probably won't have any other on PLD

 

[Habs Halifax]

Hence, we said Bergeron lite............he needs to be better in his own end, and get the face offs up past 50% night in night out......
Suzuki is a great player, but has game to work on....

Agreed. Those fans pumping up Suzuki ignoring any flaws and then going on to deflate Dubois dwelling on any flaws they can nit pick.. are off the rails.

Having both of them on our roster is ideal. Both are very good young centers who bring different type of games at similar value when you add it all up. Some are treating Suzuki has a rising star and Dubois as a 30 year old when he is less than one year older.

 

[Schooner Guy]

i also think a neglected part of this is that Marty was a player development coach in columbus and PLD loved him

Development coaches don't sit players when they're coasting. First time Marty holds him accountable, PLD will be sulking again. I can't imagine 8 years of that at ~$8m a year for a 65 point player.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Keep logging in and expect to see PLD traded to LA for a ridiculously low return we could’ve matched but didn’t. I call it the Bergevin PTSD effect.

 

[Vachon23]

Development coaches don't sit players when they're coasting. First time Marty holds him accountable, PLD will be sulking again. I can't imagine 8 years of that at ~$8m a year for a 65 point player.

You know that PLD and Torts had a good relationship and it wasn't the problem right ?

 

[Habs]

what worries me is 63 points on a really decently offensive jets team, probably means 50 pts here, as our offensive mindset blows monkeyballs. Players always drop in production when we acquire them and bring them to 'smother zone offensive dump and chase hockey' since 1994

Expensive player for what he brings, is it worth it while we try and get the next year's top pick?