Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[salbutera]

And PLD don’t want to go there

And I’m not sure Canes will even be able to extend Pesce or Skjei

 

[OnTheRun]

It’s not bullshit. There’s a lot you take away and learn from moments of adversity in sports. And there no doubt going to happen when you’re playing at a competitive level. It’s not just “hockey culture.”

YMMV.
Pretty much all my hockey coaches acted like Pat Burns... with f***ing kids. I didn't make a case about it when I was smack in the middle of it, but looking back now, yes it was bullshit and totally unacceptable to boot.

 

[DinosaurBones]

I honestly dont think Dubois will be a Hab.. There are definitely atleast a few teams hed be willing to sign long term with other than us, and probably teams that are ready to compete right now which also means would be willing to pay more than we would be willing to pay for a trade at this moment. I dont see the Habs matching an offer say that a team like NYR would send because they will go for it this year. And then I believe he'd sign there (Just an example team)

 

[HABitual Fan]

YMMV.
Pretty much all my hockey coaches acted like Pat Burns... with f***ing kids. I didn't make a case about it when I was smack in the middle of it, but looking back now, yes it was bullshit and totally unacceptable to boot.

You are correct, and except for the abusive behavior which has pretty much been cut out, the mentality behind it still remains. That is a large part of why the province is lagging behind in hockey talent.

A quick example of the problem in mentality, a novice team has 9F and 4D. 4 of the players are much better than the others, 4 kids want to play defense and learn the position. The coach plays the 4 better players on defense so he can put them on the ice every 2nd shift. Even at that age the mentality is win at all costs, development be damned.

 

[SwiftyHab]

If true, it’s basically us now or this summer.

“…the aforementioned source told BHN “that Cheveldayoff wants ‘a 2023 first round pick and Grade A prospect’, something the Bruins can’t really offer to anyone on the NHL trade market right now, the biggest key in LeBrun’s report is Dubois’ reluctance to sign past this coming season. It is widely believed that the only team he would sign long-term with right now is the Canadiens. So that means the Bruins would likely not be acquiring a top 6 center for the long-term right now, and would have to give Dubois $6 million this season only to lose him in free agency in 2024.

NHL Source: ‘Bruins Don’t Have What It Takes To Get Dubois’

Once again Winnipeg Jets center Pierre-Luc Dubois is on the NHL trade market but again, as is the case with most big-name players available via a trade or in NHL free agency, the Boston Bruins won’t be able to afford him. Let’s just say the NHL betting odds on Dubois winding up with the Bruins […]

bostonhockeynow.com

 

[Runner77]

If true, it’s basically us now or this summer.

“…the aforementioned source told BHN “that Cheveldayoff wants ‘a 2023 first round pick and Grade A prospect’, something the Bruins can’t really offer to anyone on the NHL trade market right now, the biggest key in LeBrun’s report is Dubois’ reluctance to sign past this coming season. It is widely believed that the only team he would sign long-term with right now is the Canadiens. So that means the Bruins would likely not be acquiring a top 6 center for the long-term right now, and would have to give Dubois $6 million this season only to lose him in free agency in 2024.

NHL Source: ‘Bruins Don’t Have What It Takes To Get Dubois’

Once again Winnipeg Jets center Pierre-Luc Dubois is on the NHL trade market but again, as is the case with most big-name players available via a trade or in NHL free agency, the Boston Bruins won’t be able to afford him. Let’s just say the NHL betting odds on Dubois winding up with the Bruins […]

bostonhockeynow.com

Our best outcome is Dubois getting shipped out for a rental and we land him as a free agent next year.

Barring that, I doubt that Hughes will want to pay what it takes even if the asking can always be negotiated.

 

[nhlfan9191]

YMMV.
Pretty much all my hockey coaches acted like Pat Burns... with f***ing kids. I didn't make a case about it when I was smack in the middle of it, but looking back now, yes it was bullshit and totally unacceptable to boot.

I don’t know what your experience was but you sound a bit like a soccer mom when it comes to defending to Dubois’s actions in Columbus.

 

[OnTheRun]

I don’t know what your experience was but you sound a bit like a soccer mom while defending Dubois.

Nope not even close. I simply don't consider a player asking as a problem.

You see it as unprofessional, I don't see it that way, I didn't shit on Petry when he wanted out, so I'm pretty consistent here. There's just no middle ground for us to met on this topic obviously.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Nope not even close. I simply don't consider a player asking as a problem.

You see it as unprofessional, I don't see it that way, I didn't shit on Petry when he wanted out, so I'm pretty consistent here. There's just no middle ground for us to met on this topic obviously.

We aren’t talking about that.. I was referring to the infamous shift in Columbus. Although the entitlement seems to still be there. There’s a right way and a wrong way to go about situations like that. Quitting in the middle of a game to get your way should be established as wrong no matter what the level is. I’ll leave it at that.

 

[Runner77]

I'm at the QMJHL draft and had the chance to talk with someone well aware of the Dubois saga. Take it as you want

They are 2 teams remaining :

MTL
LAK

Should be done in the next 2 weeks

For the contrat they are looking at Matthew Barzal contrat as comparable

Is this you?

 

[OnTheRun]

We aren’t talking about that.. I was referring to the infamous shift in Columbus. Although the entitlement seems to still be there. There’s a right way and a wrong way to go about situations like that. Quitting in the middle of a game to get your way should be established as wrong no matter what the level is. I’ll leave it at that.

Well damn, I'm pretty sure the infamous shift wasn't the topic of the current discussion. It was literally about the "red flag" of PLD wanting out for a "3rd" (it's 2) times.

 

[Vachon23]

Is this you?

I know him yes haha

He was at the draft yesterday so we had the chance to talk

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

If true, it’s basically us now or this summer.

“…the aforementioned source told BHN “that Cheveldayoff wants ‘a 2023 first round pick and Grade A prospect’, something the Bruins can’t really offer to anyone on the NHL trade market right now, the biggest key in LeBrun’s report is Dubois’ reluctance to sign past this coming season. It is widely believed that the only team he would sign long-term with right now is the Canadiens. So that means the Bruins would likely not be acquiring a top 6 center for the long-term right now, and would have to give Dubois $6 million this season only to lose him in free agency in 2024.

NHL Source: ‘Bruins Don’t Have What It Takes To Get Dubois’

Once again Winnipeg Jets center Pierre-Luc Dubois is on the NHL trade market but again, as is the case with most big-name players available via a trade or in NHL free agency, the Boston Bruins won’t be able to afford him. Let’s just say the NHL betting odds on Dubois winding up with the Bruins […]

bostonhockeynow.com

I don't think we would be willing to give up an A prospect, and Florida's 1st is almost a 2nd round pick, but if we add it could maybe do the trick:

Dvorak + Florida 1st = 1st 2023
Kidney + Ylonen = A prospect

Dvorak + Florida 1st + Kidney + Ylonen for Dubois

 

[Hannibal]

I'm at the QMJHL draft and had the chance to talk with someone well aware of the Dubois saga. Take it as you want

They are 2 teams remaining :

MTL
LAK

Should be done in the next 2 weeks

For the contrat they are looking at Matthew Barzal contrat as comparable

Man Kings scaring me. They have lots of option to trade.

 

[Runner77]

I know him yes haha

He was at the draft yesterday so we had the chance to talk

I knew there was a connection.

So, that’s your source. Gave you what looked like privileged info and then he posts the same thing on Twitter lol.

 

[HomaridII]

Man Kings scaring me. They have lots of option to trade

How are the kings going to fit a 9 mill contract and fill out the rest of their roster? Do they have a LTIR contract I don’t know about?

 

[Vachon23]

I knew there was a connection.

So, that’s your source. Gave you what looked like privileged info and then he posts the same thing on Twitter lol.

He’s not my source…

Can’t really say more here on a public forum though, sorry

But yes, me and him are talking often but for the QMJHL

 

[Runner77]

He’s not my source…

Can’t really say more here on a public forum though, sorry

But yes, me and him are talking often but for the QMJHL

So he may not be your source but due to some strange and inexplicable coincidence, he happens to come out with the exact same nugget that was contained in your post.

I really wasn’t looking for you to say more, whatever gave you that impression?

Here I was thinking that you were fed an exclusive but it turns out that this guy disseminated it at large. I guess he wanted to be a Twitter Hero.

At least, he posted verbatim what was said to you, so there’s that.

 

[Vachon23]

So he may not be your source but due to some strange and inexplicable coincidence, he happens to come out with the exact same nugget that was contained in your post.

I really wasn’t looking for you to say more, whatever gave you that impression?

Here I was thinking that you were fed an exclusive but it turns out that this guy disseminated it at large. I guess he wanted to be a Twitter Hero.

At least, he posted verbatim what was said to you, so there’s that.

If I wanted to keep that info exclusive, I wouldn’t told him

So let’s say we have the same source

 

[SwiftyHab]

If I wanted to keep that info exclusive, I wouldn’t told him

So let’s say we have the same source

Does your source suggest that PLD would be willing to sign 1 year with LA or long-term?

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I'm at the QMJHL draft and had the chance to talk with someone well aware of the Dubois saga. Take it as you want

They are 2 teams remaining :

MTL
LAK

Should be done in the next 2 weeks

For the contrat they are looking at Matthew Barzal contrat as comparable

I'd be looking at Hertl more than Barzal. That's a $1m difference. Hertl, who I think he compares really well with, has a cap of: $8,137,500.

Barzal: $9.150m.

Barzal has an 85 point season which PLD has never come close too.

Splitting the difference brings it to $8,643,750, which is higher than I like.

I figure a bit more than Hertl: 8 years x $8.25m is definitely fair.

 

[Vachon23]

Does your source suggest that PLD would be willing to sign 1 year with LA or long-term?

Long term only

I'd be looking at Hertl more than Barzal. That's a $1m difference. Hertl, who I think he compares really well with, has a cap of: $8,137,500.

Barzal: $9.150m.

Barzal has an 85 point season which PLD has never come close too.

Splitting the difference brings it to $8,643,750, which is higher than I like.

I figure a bit more than Hertl: 8 years x $8.25m is definitely fair.

Difference was the timing of the signing

Barzal was sign less then 1 year ago

 

[Frank Drebin]

I hope la gives up a pile for him and signs him to beaucoup bucks.

This whole saga is silly. If he never mentioned wanting to play here a team in year 2 of a rebuild would never, ever consider giving up futures for a rfa.

 

[Richiebottles]

I don’t understand our fanbase.

We are all starved for top line NHL talent and when a player becomes available who WANTS to play here, everyone complains.

The Habs can’t be a team like MB that is starved for offensive talent. Our roster is still lacking offensive talent and the pipeline of prospects doesn’t look super promising on that front.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I don’t understand our fanbase.

We are all starved for top line NHL talent and when a player becomes available who WANTS to play here, everyone complains.

The Habs can’t be a team like MB that is starved for offensive talent. Our roster is still lacking offensive talent and the pipeline of prospects doesn’t look super promising on that front.

I'll take pld but not at the expense of one of our few good young players or prospects. Jets wanted dach or similar. We're in no position to make a deal like that

You need a good prospect base and then you just acquire players like old through trade. Yes he's a good player but players like that get moved every season.