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Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

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“Would you rather that the Habs trade for Dubois or instead wait and try to sign him when he becomes

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BaseballCoach said:
I completely agree with you to not give a mid-first rounder for 1 year of PLD.

In fact I would not give even a LATE first-rounder for 1 year of PLD.

I'm not interested in having one year of PLD. Corey Perry, on a short cheap contract, maybe. Sean Monahan maybe, but both are UFA.

Not trading assets for one year of PLD at his market value, only to lose him in one year.

Thing is, I know of no Hab fan who proposes to trade for one yar of PLD.

So what IS the context of you bringing that up?
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Hughes would never acquire PLD for just one season.

ottawa said:
Throw in Dubois and that's a top 6 that can easily fight for a wildcard spot.

The problem is our defense will have us fighting for another top 5 pick
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Our D will be better than last year. More experienced and hopefully, healthier for the whole season.
 
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ottawa said:
Throw in Dubois and that's a top 6 that can easily fight for a wildcard spot.

The problem is our defense will have us fighting for another top 5 pick
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Don’t need to fight for a wildcard spot right now. Need to be patient with this.

They need more than just defense, they still need an elite forward. Dubois is not that. That will put them in the same in-between spot they always were.
 
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sampollock said:
which is why , after the CC signing... PLD will ask way to much for Kent to sign him
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Suzuki and Caufield locked up for 7.8, there is no way they bring someone from outside the organization and pay him more than them. When it happens, it’s gonna be a player from this organization like the 5th pick, Dach in 3 years, Slaf, etc if they become better.
 
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Might have 0 choice but to bring PLD in and try to do St Louis Blues model.

If they are gonna not get Smith and pass on Michkov, that's really the only path to success unless they get incomprehensibly lucky in a future lotto or draft pick.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
Might have 0 choice but to bring PLD in and try to do St Louis Blues model.

If they are gonna not get Smith and pass on Michkov, that's really the only path to success unless they get incomprehensibly lucky in a future lotto or draft pick.
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Yup. It's starting to become obvious that the Habs won't come out of their rebuild looking like the 2005 Pens.

It's going to be more of a "strength in numbers" model like the Blues/Canes/Bruins,
 
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Canadiens98 said:
Yea and of course I can be wrong, I'm just not sure if Hughes would be 'for' signing Dubois at a price greater than Suzuki/Caufield.
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Look at his stats and UFA status, there is a world of difference in his situation. He's totally worth as much as Caufield and Suzy and I banking on Hugo offering him the same number as a hometown discount.

BTW I realize most people who don't want him also count Slaf as a strong building block for the future and a reason we don't need him.. On a scale of 1 to 10, how bad was Slaf rookie season compare to PLD's one? And what makes yall think he will become better than him ?
 
Destopcorner said:
Look at his stats and UFA status, there is a world of difference in his situation. He's totally worth as much as Caufield and Suzy and I banking on Hugo offering him the same number as a hometown discount.

BTW I realize most people who don't want him also count Slaf as a strong building block for the future and a reason we don't need him.. On a scale of 1 to 10, how bad was Slaf rookie season compare to PLD's one? And what makes yall think he will become better than him ?
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So with your analogy Draisaitl and Rantanen wouldn’t have been better than PLD because their first 30ish games weren’t better than Dubois first season?

Oh and by the way,

Slafkovsky 18 years old his first 25 NHL games

25 games - 4 goals - 6 assists - 10 points


Dubois 19 years old first 25 NHL games

25 games - 4 goals - 3 assists - 7 points
 
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Destopcorner said:
Look at his stats and UFA status, there is a world of difference in his situation. He's totally worth as much as Caufield and Suzy and I banking on Hugo offering him the same number as a hometown discount.

BTW I realize most people who don't want him also count Slaf as a strong building block for the future and a reason we don't need him.. On a scale of 1 to 10, how bad was Slaf rookie season compare to PLD's one? And what makes yall think he will become better than him ?
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I just think there's a price where it no longer makes sense for us to target him because of the cap world we live in.

I very much believe Slaf will be a building block for the future along with Suzuki, Dach, and Caufield.


I'm all for adding Dubois as long as it's on a contract that makes sense.
 
SuzukiSZN said:
Don’t need to fight for a wildcard spot right now. Need to be patient with this.

They need more than just defense, they still need an elite forward. Dubois is not that. That will put them in the same in-between spot they always were.
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Don't need to fight for it, it'll come naturally with PLD...makes no sense to let promising forward go because people want to keep rebuilding for the next couple of decades.

If Kent gets a decent shot at PLD, guaranteed he's taking it. You can tell he wants to build a winner and PLD brings us closer to that. Not the 2030+ draft picks that you guys are looking forward to.

If there's no shot at snagging him for a good deal then stay course of course.
 
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Destopcorner said:
He couldn't negotiate a one year if that's what he wanted? Good one. He left money on the table and no one does that in the NHL world, especially for a team he doesn't want to play for.

Edit: How does that put him in a position to walk to UFA faster? This is non-sense, he's still becomes UFA summer 2024...
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Because Winnipeg would’ve wanted 3+ and they were never going to offer him the 2 he wanted that walked him directly out. He didn’t need to negotiate the one year. The QO was more then fair and 1 year got him to where he is right now and he still has a arbitration rights. He’s a good as gone regardless of what Winnipeg does. They lost all control. He’s a rental which is perfect for Dubois as he’s been trying to force himself out of there for 2 years and he gets the big payday earlier.
 
sampollock said:
which is why , after the CC signing... PLD will ask way to much for Kent to sign him
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Dubois' agent Pat Brisson knows where the line in the sand is. This will go a long way in determining if PLD was serious about being a Hab because Hughes was very serious about maintaining a salary structure. I love it. He brought up Patrice Bergeron in one of his first interviews talking team building. It obviously made a huge impression on him. No doubt he's hoping to draft and acquire more of those solid type of individuals who put team first.
 
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Rapala said:
Dubois' agent Pat Brisson knows where the line in the sand is. This will go a long way in determining if PLD was serious about being a Hab because Hughes was very serious about maintaining a salary structure. I love it. He brought up Patrice Bergeron in one of his first interviews talking team building. It obviously made a huge impression on him. No doubt he's hoping to draft and acquire more of those solid type of individuals who put team first.
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With Caufield agreeing to sign long term under 8M AAV, HuGo's is indeed in a very good position to crystallize an "internal cap" based on Suzuki's terms.

And this bodes very well for the establishment of a sustainable long term salary structure for the Habs' emerging core, especially since the cap will likely raise steeply before long (within 2-3 years), rendering this "internal cap" retrospectively even more very appealing.

And that's the reason why I think locking up core-quality players long term before the 2024 offseason is paramount : once unfrozed, the cap will rise steeply and <8M will no longer be competitive for such players.

In other words, if Dubois is indeed seriously commited about playing for Montreal one day, Suzuki's terms should still be considered competitive if the Habs trade for him this summer.

And if that happens, (Suzuki-Caufield-Dubois signed long term under 8M), needless to say it would create a virtuous circle further bolstering the Habs' "internal cap" structure.

If however Dubois hits free agency in an unfrozen cap context next offseason, I'm quite curious to see if - and especially which of - the Habs' or Dubois' resolve will falter in such context!
 
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