Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[BigDaddyLurch]

 

[Deleted member 257557]

We got to 170 pages because there are a bunch of overexcited fans who don’t get that and the debate gets ripped open again. There are some people in here that believe Dubois is a unicorn when he’s not.

I just hang out here because it’s where you guys all hang out.

 

[CHwest]

Dach is untouchable, his ceiling is higher than PLD in my opinion.

Much higher.

 

[Scriptor]

Much higher.

Honestly, what is MUCH higher? I agree that Dach has a higher potential than the production totals he has put up at this point in his career, but I doubt he will ever come close to 30 goals or become a regular PPG player (though it could happen in a season along the way).

I also think that PLD should continue to improve his production as he enters his prime and become a 70-80 point producer when he signs with Colorado.

 

[Kimota]

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Dammit, always those purple hair weidos!

 

[Rapala]

The Habs won't be making a trade that doesn't make sense for them. They are not the one on the clock here.
If the Jets demands are absurd, they pass.
If PLD demands are absurd, they pass.

I'm really not sure how we managed to push close to 170 pages without progressing beyond that basic point. (If the Habs were willing to give up the moon no questions asked, PLD would have been traded last year.)

This point was made on page one and rejected by a handful of posters who proceeded to camp in the thread.

 

[Kimota]

McDavid will be the first NHLer to crack $20M AAV barrier

Also for all those who complain about no interest in Southern expansion, $6B in revenue when the low CDN $, has lessened the revenues Canadian teams contribute to the pool - revenues w non traditional US teams is starting to jump big time

Revenues have nothing to do with southern expansions. They still have weak TV deals and southern teams do not particularly have had big crowds. All year Florida was a ghost town until they went to the playoffs. Expansion in these places is still really a fugasi nonsense.

 

[CHwest]

Honestly, what is MUCH higher? I agree that Dach has a higher potential than the production totals he has put up at this point in his career, but I doubt he will ever come close to 30 goals or become a regular PPG player (though it could happen in a season along the way).

I also think that PLD should continue to improve his production as he enters his prime and become a 70-80 point producer when he signs with Colorado.

I feel Dach has a 100 point ceiling.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Revenues have nothing to do with southern expansions. They still have weak TV deals and southern teams do not particularly have had big crowds. All year Florida was a ghost town until they went to the playoffs. Expansion in these places is still really a fugasi nonsense.

...couldn't agree more...the fact that a team that can't draw shyte and couldn't for damn near 30 years is in the Cup Finals is an assessment on the Regime runnin' the show...they'd rather LOSE money every year and give us the bullshyte "growing the game" excuse instead of putting a team back in a hockey hotbed like Quebec City...Buttman could give two shytes about the Canadian market cuz he knows they already have us; it's all about pathetic viewership and terrible ticket sales in the American South...wait 'til Vegas goes through a few years not having a Playoff team; it'll be the same shyte...sad state of affairs, it is...

 

[salbutera]

Revenues have nothing to do with southern expansions. They still have weak TV deals and southern teams do not particularly have had big crowds. All year Florida was a ghost town until they went to the playoffs. Expansion in these places is still really a fugasi nonsense.

NHL gets approx $436M / year from Sportsnet on their current 12-yr National deal. ESPN & Warner nets them $650 per year on the current 7-yr deal, combine that w expansion fees VGK & Seattle have willingly coughed up…

More importantly it’s about corporate potential of these US markets.

 

[Kimota]

NHL gets approx $436M / year from Sportsnet on their current 12-yr National deal. ESPN & Warner nets them $650 per year on the current 7-yr deal, combine that w expansion fees VGK & Seattle have willingly coughed up…

More importantly it’s about corporate potential of these US markets.

Most of the TV money comes from Canada. And the corporate potential in the US has never been realised and will never be. It's science-fiction.

 

[salbutera]

Most of the TV money comes from Canada. And the corporate potential in the US has never been realised and will never be. It's science-fiction.

Not anymore the current US TV deal is significantly greater than the CDN deal ($650M vs $436M per year), and corporate revenue of major US metro centers is > than all but Toronto - NY, Bos, Sea, VGK, LA, Chi, Phi

Also the low CDN $ for the better parts of last 3-years has diminished CDN revenue by upwards of 30%

Canada still generates a disproportionate amount of revenue on a per team basis but that gap is getting smaller. NHL will never be a top-4 sports US wide - it’s a regional game but there has been significant traction, and as US demographic shifts continue (northern & mid western hockey fans moving south), popularity will also continue to take hold

 

[Kimota]

...couldn't agree more...the fact that a team that can't draw shyte and couldn't for damn near 30 years is in the Cup Finals is an assessment on the Regime runnin' the show...they'd rather LOSE money every year and give us the bullshyte "growing the game" excuse instead of putting a team back in a hockey hotbed like Quebec City...Buttman could give two shytes about the Canadian market cuz he knows they already have us; it's all about pathetic viewership and terrible ticket sales in the American South...wait 'til Vegas goes through a few years not having a Playoff team; it'll be the same shyte...sad state of affairs, it is...

Canada is really the bitch that keep on giving for the NHL. We trained the players, we give them our blood, sweat and tears. I'm talking about parents that spend a good portion of their lives spending money and working hard to put their kids in hockey. And we also give them the most revenues as far as Rogers and the TV deal and Montreal and Toronto being the lifeblood of this league. And there is no reward for it. Screw Bettman and his ilk. He should be on his knees thanking us and giving us all the NHL franchises we want. I wish they would be a class action by all the Canadian parents against the league. Hell even have the Canadian goverment do something about it. We are giving you all their great players for your product, Bettman. And you laugh at us.

 

[Kimota]

Not anymore the current US TV deal is significantly greater than the CDN deal ($650M vs $436M), and corporate revenue of major US metro centers is > than all but Toronto - NY, Bos, Sea, VGK, LA, Chi

Also the low CDN $ for the better parts of last 3-years has diminished CDN revenue by upwards of 30%

Turner is giving them 225 million per year. It's laughable. ESPN is giving them 400 which is OK, I guess. But for the US, it's nothing.

 

[salbutera]

Turner is giving them 225 million per year. It's laughable. ESPN is giving them 400 which is OK, I guess. But for the US, it's nothing.

It’s still more than what they’re making in Canada, and the present CDN deal will be much smaller once renegotiated in a couple of years.

Also Sportsnet’s $5.2B 12-year deal was CDN $, so that’s $436M Cdn or $320M USD

ESPN + Warner is 2x the CDN deal presently

BTW - Warner's Turner Sports pays $250M USD per year not $225M

 

[Destopcorner]

Reported Winnipeg wants warm bodies because there is no way they rebuild next season.

Barron + Dvorak for PLD sign 8 under 8 is a great trade base for everyone. Add minor assets and i'm more than willing to pay that price. Winnipeg saves face and it even works salary wise.

If it's Smith that remains at #5, drafting Rainmaker and snagging PLD would feel a lot like last year experience with Romanov Dach and Slaf.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Reported Winnipeg wants warm bodies because there is no way they rebuild next season.

Barron + Dvorak for PLD sign 8 under 8 is a great trade base for everyone. Add minor assets and i'm more than willing to pay that price. Winnipeg saves face and it even works salary wise.

If it's Smith that remains at #5, drafting Rainmaker and snagging PLD would feel a lot like last year experience with Romanov Dach and Slaf.

Considering the lack of RD on the Habs, Barron for PLD could turn out as bad as the Drouin trade. You need to give young defensemen more time to develop before you make a decision on them, that is why I hesitate to deal guys like Harris and Barron at this stage of their careers.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I feel Dach has a 100 point ceiling.

You have the right to feel that. And if that happens, then PLD have a ceiling of 85 pts, while being a 200 foot game. I know it's exagerated for PLD, the same as your Dach ceiling.

Btw, what are you smoking, it seems to be a good stuff, lol.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong here...

Can't PLD wait until July 1st hits, then the Habs send him an offer sheet for 1 year at 6 million dollars knowing full well Jets will match, but in doing so it blocks the Jets from being able to trade PLD throughout the season, essentially bringing him to UFA where the Habs can sign him and thus not worry about the Jets trading PLD to a team that might resign him?

As has been pointed out numerous times , PLD will never see July 1 without a signed contract, Winnipeg takes him to arbitration long before that can happen. They can trade him for a 1st rounder and more by retaining on him and getting a 3rd team involved, teams in a significant cap crunch or looking for a last kick at the can with an aging core like Washington or Pittsburgh would gladly take him for a year at 1.5M. For Winnipeg that 1st has the potential to be much better than a 1st from a contender at the TDL when the playoffs teams are almost already set.

 

[Sorinth]

Considering the lack of RD on the Habs, Barron for PLD could turn out as bad as the Drouin trade. You need to give young defensemen more time to develop before you make a decision on them, that is why I hesitate to deal guys like Harris and Barron at this stage of their careers.

Or it could be a Balej for Kovalev trade. If you wait on the young guys to develop then chances are they will lose value. Look at Beaulieu or Tinordi, they had way more value at 21 then they did after given more time to develop. And it's not like you need the prospect you trade to bust for it to become a good deal. The Drouin trade wasn't bad because Sergachev was a good player it was bad because Drouin was bad on top of trading from a position of weakness.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Or it could be a Balej for Kovalev trade. If you wait on the young guys to develop then chances are they will lose value. Look at Beaulieu or Tinordi, they had way more value at 21 then they did after given more time to develop. And it's not like you need the prospect you trade to bust for it to become a good deal. The Drouin trade wasn't bad because Sergachev was a good player it was bad because Drouin was bad on top of trading from a position of weakness.

You are correct if the prospects in question are like those two. In this case we are talking about two rookies who have not disappointed and dealing Barron especially is dealing a position of weakness for a player that will not improve the team significantly especially if the cost is losing one of the few prospects on RD. Getting worse at that position will not help the team, only create a hole in a position that is harder to fill.

 

[Cournoyer12]

Most of you are running this thread under the assumption we will suck as much next year; we won’t. With PLD or not.

This year, upper management let the tables run because of the quality of the draft. So they sent injured players packin’ early, without making any deals to compensate, relying on AHLers.

Won’t happen next season. Draft is said to be not as deep, obviously. So trying to tank as much as possible will not be worth it. And if you got HuGo’s and Molson’s messages, you prolly understood that the team still needs to grow but will not be as bad as this season or the previous one. I expect them to finish in the 12-14 bottom range next season. No more top 10 unless lucky AF at the lottery.

I expect some movement going forward by HuGo once the Finals are over.

So PLD is not a must. But we ain’t tanking anymore. Get that out of your heads already. That is now done. Our Calgary first round pick (from 2025 I think) is our next ‘chance’ at a top 5-10 pick in the draft.

I’m expecting a 75-82 point season for the lads. I will be pleased with steady improvement. You can’t have everything… where would you put it?

 

[JohnTheBaptist]

Reported Winnipeg wants warm bodies because there is no way they rebuild next season.

Barron + Dvorak for PLD sign 8 under 8 is a great trade base for everyone. Add minor assets and i'm more than willing to pay that price. Winnipeg saves face and it even works salary wise.

If it's Smith that remains at #5, drafting Rainmaker and snagging PLD would feel a lot like last year experience with Romanov Dach and Slaf.

Bad bad trade. We need Barron on the RD, currently we only have him and Mailloux for the future.

Dvorak
Anderson
Kidney
Roy
Armia

They can have these guys.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Reported Winnipeg wants warm bodies because there is no way they rebuild next season.

Barron + Dvorak for PLD sign 8 under 8 is a great trade base for everyone. Add minor assets and i'm more than willing to pay that price. Winnipeg saves face and it even works salary wise.

If it's Smith that remains at #5, drafting Rainmaker and snagging PLD would feel a lot like last year experience with Romanov Dach and Slaf.

They aren’t getting Barron.

 

[salbutera]

I’m expecting a 75-82 point season for the lads. I will be pleased with steady improvement. You can’t have everything… where would you put it?

Habs will be fighting for a wild card spot next season. I expect 1-2 significant adds this summer