Post-Game Talk: ITS OVER- Did we make a huge mistake on Pierre-Luc Dubois Thread?

[Gustave]

And we've been fooled too many time in MTL. Hossa's gloves , Shananan helicopter tour , Brett Hull to MTL that was "almost done" , the whole Lecavalier trade rumors saga etc

So yeah i'll believe it when i see it lol

Daniel Briere, when he was actually good…

 

[sampollock]

Put some names out there. Not many proven big centerman available... Your plan is to wait till they hit UFA and choose Montreal of all destinations? Get off our pink cloud, it never happens and ive follow this team for 40 years. Or you wanna trade for the guy? Bet ya it cost more than your beloved 15th pick and b assets.

Saying we have a small asset base is ridiculous, our prospect pool is gorgeous and we have 11 picks coming up.

What I have been saying if you wake to when he's a UFA now you're going to have teams that are overpay him

With what Chevy will want for him Kent won't pay it thus you'll be in Winnipeg for another year and go out as a UFA or traded at the deadline

 

[Jaynki]

And we've been fooled too many time in MTL. Hossa's gloves , Shananan helicopter tour , Brett Hull to MTL that was "almost done" , the whole Lecavalier trade rumors saga etc

So yeah i'll believe it when i see it lol

What was the Brett Hull to MTL?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

What was the Brett Hull to MTL?

Andy Savard wanted to sign him. Hull was simply using Montreal to up the ante with Dallas.

 

[Habs]

Do you actually think they would've won something if they hadn't signed Tavares? Because personally I have little doubt they would have still not won anything.

no, because they have never addressed their blueline or team physical abilities. That team is as soft as they come since Tavares arrived. He's a total buttercup, leads like a total sissy

 

[BaseballCoach]

You don't trade a mid first round pick in a great draft year for one year of PLD. It's a dumb idea.

Agreed. Habs don't have a mid first round pick, though, nor do they want him if it is only for one year - so is there another team you are talking about who would be looking to get PLD for one year?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Agreed. Habs don't have a mid first round pick, though, nor do they want him if it is only for one year - so is there another team you are talking about who would be looking to get PLD for one year?

Completely outside the scope of why I said that. It definitely shows you didn't run down the replies to see why I said that, which makes responding to your reply, completely pointless, although i do have to point it out, so not entirely pointless, but all the same.

 

[themilosh]

Put some names out there. Not many proven big centerman available... Your plan is to wait till they hit UFA and choose Montreal of all destinations? Get off our pink cloud, it never happens and ive follow this team for 40 years. Or you wanna trade for the guy? Bet ya it cost more than your beloved 15th pick and b assets.

Saying we have a small asset base is ridiculous, our prospect pool is gorgeous and we have 11 picks coming up.

You're making too much sense. stop this nonsense.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Put some names out there. Not many proven big centerman available... Your plan is to wait till they hit UFA and choose Montreal of all destinations? Get off our pink cloud, it never happens and ive follow this team for 40 years. Or you wanna trade for the guy? Bet ya it cost more than your beloved 15th pick and b assets.

Your creating strawmen after strawmen, completely ommiting the fact I already stated i'm opened to get him for another package. You're also conveniently trying to slip out from your circular logic. So which is it now? Does he want or not want to come here? If he signs somewhere else, that will simply mean his heart and mind weren't really here in the first place, making us avoid a bad outcome.

Also cut your 40 year crap. We've signed players of similar or better quality before. Hamrlik, Cammy, Gio... PLD is not some unicorn, fanboy.

Saying we have a small asset base is ridiculous, our prospect pool is gorgeous and we have 11 picks coming up.

It's not a strong base until many are proven and they aren't. You're the one living on a pink cloud if you think that's a strong asset base. A strong asset base is when your prospects are actually more than pie in the sky.

Enough of you, buhbye

 

[CHwest]

Seriously what? Name the best proven players we've traded for or sign as UFA since 2000. Sorry but PLD would be top 3 right next to to Kovalev... Suzuki was just a prospect at the time. Dach might be good but stats show PLD have the big stick.

If you ask the 32 DG who they take between Kovy and PLD on their team, result will be close to 50/50 imo. You make it sound like it's not even close lol

It's not, it's not even close. PLD is not even a PPG player for Pete's sake. Kovalev could win a game on his own.

 

[themilosh]

It’s a partnership, PLD camp needs to make his desire to be traded/signed to only Montreal crystal clear so Habs don’t have to part with top assets similar to the other deals

i disagree - the "partnership" is to get him there right away (who the hell would want a lame duck season in Winnipeg), and he will SIGN an 7 year (under Suzuki) AAV $7.5M.. that's a partnership - win-win

 

[SlafySZN]

i disagree - the "partnership" is to get him there right away (who the hell would want a lame duck season in Winnipeg), and he will SIGN an 7 year (under Suzuki) AAV $7.5M.. that's a partnership - win-win

What makes you think he wants to sign that?

He said in his end of season presser that he wanted to hit free agency, i don’t think it’s to take a discount anywhere.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Completely outside the scope of why I said that. It definitely shows you didn't run down the replies to see why I said that, which makes responding to your reply, completely pointless, although i do have to point it out, so not entirely pointless, but all the same.

I completely agree with you to not give a mid-first rounder for 1 year of PLD.

In fact I would not give even a LATE first-rounder for 1 year of PLD.

I'm not interested in having one year of PLD. Corey Perry, on a short cheap contract, maybe. Sean Monahan maybe, but both are UFA.

Not trading assets for one year of PLD at his market value, only to lose him in one year.

Thing is, I know of no Hab fan who proposes to trade for one yar of PLD.

So what IS the context of you bringing that up?

 

[Destopcorner]

Your creating strawmen after strawmen, completely ommiting the fact I already stated i'm opened to get him for another package. You're also conveniently trying to slip out from your circular logic. So which is it now? Does he want or not want to come here? If he signs somewhere else, that will simply mean his heart and mind weren't really here in the first place, making us avoid a bad outcome.

Also cut your 40 year crap. We've signed players of similar or better quality before. Hamrlik, Cammy, Gio... PLD is not some unicorn, fanboy.



It's not a strong base until many are proven and they aren't. You're the one living on a pink cloud if you think that's a strong asset base. A strong asset base is when your prospects are actually more than pie in the sky.

Enough of you, buhbye

Let's make a pool on the main board. Who do you want on your team first, the two midgets at their respective age at the time... or PLD at 24? He'd be the best acquisition since Kovalev, don't kid yourself.

Since when does assets have to be proven to be consider assets? What do you consider picks in that fantasy world? For a guy fighting hard for a late first, that's kind of ironic.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

i disagree - the "partnership" is to get him there right away (who the hell would want a lame duck season in Winnipeg), and he will SIGN an 7 year (under Suzuki) AAV $7.5M.. that's a partnership - win-win

Still meant trading for him this offseason just manipulating the market so it’s not a bidding war. PLD doesn’t have any kind of NTC so he’d have to come out and force a trade to Montreal. And definitely wouldn’t pay him more than Nuke.

 

[Destopcorner]

What makes you think he wants to sign that?

He said in his end of season presser that he wanted to hit free agency, i don’t think it’s to take a discount anywhere.

What makes you think he wants more? He didn't even try to negociate last year and took a paycut just to QO without making waves. Not many players leave free money on the table... but PLD did.

 

[Deleted member 257557]

Daniel Briere, when he was actually good…

I’m still refreshing like an idiot every 11 seconds in case Sundin signed.

 

[Gustave]

I’m still refreshing like an idiot every 11 seconds in case Sundin signed.

That was a chaotic 5(?) days. The day July 1st came and he wasn’t signed, I abandoned all hope.

 

[themilosh]

Eight years? The back end of such a contract will be a boat anchor for this team. One can easily foresee the future angst of so many fans here about the past improvident overreaching to secure this player. Oh those shinny new toys.

I'd trade 5th OA for PLD (sign and trade) at $5Mx7years

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I'd trade 5th OA for PLD (sign and trade) at $5Mx7years

I wouldn’t.

Our 5OA is an asset that should be used judiciously. I also doubt that Dubois is signing for $5 million per year. The idea of a home town discount is as unrealistic as a Gallagher revival. Neither is happening.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I'd trade 5th OA for PLD (sign and trade) at $5Mx7years

#1 - PLD ain't signing for $5 mill
#2 - This draft pool of C's look stellar, especially in the Top 5
#3 - We can WAIT 1 year and see if this crap about PLD wanting to sign in MTL is true

 

[Milhouse40]

Eight years? The back end of such a contract will be a boat anchor for this team. One can easily foresee the future angst of so many fans here about the past improvident overreaching to secure this player. Oh those shinny new toys.

It's not about new toys. It's all simple math for me.

No one wants PLD at 9.5M deal and the best way to get him at lowest possible AVV is to have his rights, with no other teams betting on him and use the 8 years to lower this AVV even more. All that exactly to make sure his contract won't be a boat anchor down the road.

That is if you want to add him, still not sure I would do it but getting him at the lowest AVV would be at the top of my list of criteria to be on board. I don't care about the 8 years and even less about the asset needed to get him as long as it don't touch our premiums.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I completely agree with you to not give a mid-first rounder for 1 year of PLD.

In fact I would not give even a LATE first-rounder for 1 year of PLD.

I'm not interested in having one year of PLD. Corey Perry, on a short cheap contract, maybe. Sean Monahan maybe, but both are UFA.

Not trading assets for one year of PLD at his market value, only to lose him in one year.

Thing is, I know of no Hab fan who proposes to trade for one yar of PLD.

So what IS the context of you bringing that up?

Like I said, you didn't rundown the replies or else you would've found those answers.

With a sign and trade, you're using that prime asset to get him one year earlier, hence you are paying for that one year no matter what. It's pointless if the player is adamant on coming here.

Better to see if he's true to his word rather than gamble a first rounder right smack in the middle of a rebuild.

 

[JohnTheBaptist]

He shoots right handed, but plays on the left wing to maximize his ability to shoot the puck. It's one of the first moves that MSL made.

He plays RW, he plays on the left side on the powerplay

 

[SlafySZN]

He plays RW, he plays on the left side on the powerplay

He does play left wing since MSL is here.